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HI: Gun Registry

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by RicInOR, May 24, 2016.

  1. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  2. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Except for the connected "families" that run the island like the gangsters did vegas.
     
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  3. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Opening Pandora’s box…

    HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.

    Most people entered in the “Rap Back” database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in “positions of trust,” such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.

    “I don’t like the idea of us being entered into a database. It basically tells us that they know where the guns are, they can go grab them” said Jerry Ilo, a firearm and hunting instructor for the state. “We get the feeling that Big Brother is watching us.”

    Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws. Allison Anderman, a staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the bill was “groundbreaking,” and that she hadn’t heard of other states introducing similar measures.

    Sen. Will Espero, who introduced the bill, and the Honolulu Police Department said Hawaii could serve as a model for other states if it becomes the first to enact the law.

    Yet others say gun owners shouldn’t have to be entered in a database to practice a constitutional right.

    “You’re curtailing that right by requiring that a name be entered into a database without doing anything wrong,” said Kenneth Lawson, faculty at the University of Hawaii’s William S. Richardson School of Law.

    Legal experts say the bill could face challenges, but would probably hold up in court. Recent Supreme Court rulings have clarified states’ ability to regulate gun sales, said David Levine, a law professor at the University of California, Hastings College of the Law.

    Keep reading…

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  4. USMC-03

    USMC-03 Moscow on the Willamette (i.e. Portland, Oregon) Well-Known Member

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    All it takes is a majority of the Supreme Court to agree the 2nd Amendment applies only to the Federal Government and the states can complete the disarming.
     
  5. nammac

    nammac I-5 Corridor - West of Portland Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Thinking that this might be a violation of the Firearms Owner Protection Act that President Regan signed into law in May 1986... There was a prohibition on forming databases of owners information at both the federal and state levels IIRC...
     
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  6. Flopsweat

    Flopsweat Slightly right of center Well-Known Member

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    "No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation."
    Sounds to me like some states may be violating FOPA already.
     
  7. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    They are just doing this so Obammy can move their when he is kicked out of the WH, Good little progressives over there HI
     
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  8. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Well, it also takes the cooperation of gun owners, doesn't it? Do you intend to cooperate?

    Only a naive person would believe that this provision of the law is followed; what are the chances anyone would be prosecuted for violating it? It's window-dressing, designed to appease and deceive the NRA. We are all already in their database.

    The thing to do is not care. It still takes YOUR cooperation to confiscate YOUR guns.
     
  9. USMC-03

    USMC-03 Moscow on the Willamette (i.e. Portland, Oregon) Well-Known Member

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    Of course not; I'm a citizen, not a subject.

    My real point is that the totalitarians have had very little success at the national level because of the Constitution; the same can be said at the state and local level because of the Incorporation Doctrine - applying portions of the Bill of Rights originally intended only the the Federal Government to the states.

    All that needs to happen is a SCOTUS majority decision, despite previous precedent, that the Incorporation Doctrine does not apply to the 2nd Amendment, or any other of the Bill of Rights for that matter, for the nature of the argument to radical change for the worse. Congress may not be able to infringe on the people bearing arms, but the states can. Congress may not restrict free speech but the states can. And so on...

    Liberty is at a tipping point.
     
  10. nwslopoke

    nwslopoke forest grove Well-Known Member

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    People need to understand being arrested and being found guilty of a crime are not the same thing. Those folks that are anti-gun actually believe it will stop with guns. Guns are just the low hanging fruit. Once the laws are on the books that your rights don't matter, as in parental rights, you'll be sitting on the side of the road or in a jail cell asking what just happened.
     
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  11. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    And my point is that the Constitution, the composition of the SC, and who is president is almost irrelevant compared to the most important item, the determination of gun owners not to comply.

    You could have a country with all the institutions against them; but if gun owners are resolved, they remain armed. You could have a country with all the institutions on their side, but the gun owners are push overs; they will eventually be disarmed.