Hi....... AR Pistols

[MadThylacine]

Hi!

I'm hoping for help / advise on what can and can't go onto an AR Pistol in Washington state.

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[fredball]

Welcome Aboard

 

[old11bravo]

No buttstock on it if the barrel is less than 16", so AR pistol buffer tube only.
No vertical foregrip, so angled foregrips only if you desire a foregrip.
Not sure on this one but I believe no bi-pods allowed.

Oh.... and welcome to the site!

 

[idahoan]

don't forget that if you have an overall length of > 26" you can put a VFG on it as it isn't a pistol anymore, its an "other firearm"

 

[old11bravo]

don't forget that if you have an overall length of > 26" you can put a VFG on it as it isn't a pistol anymore, its an "other firearm"

That would be >16" here in Washington

 

[mortar maggot]

On the butt stock there is some sort of phrase similar to --you cannot easily add a butt stock.

interpretations will vary, but most just cover the tube with a piece of foam or 550 cord, or you can buy a round tube with a larger diameter end cap

and welcome

Also look for the SBR thread from "Ranb" he has busted his behind trying to get us SBR's.

 

[idahoan]

That would be >16" here in Washington

the 26" OAL is a ruling by the BATFE, and as far as the language in WA goes it doesn't address other "firearms"

ATF Letter <broken link removed>

Franklin armory "firearm" Franklin Armory's New AR-15 Is Neither A Pistol Nor A Rifle And No NFA Paperwork Required | The Truth About Guns

 

[MadThylacine]

Thanks a lot to you all! Next question..... 7" VS 10.5" upper? I like the length of the 7" but I'm hearing you can't beat the reliability of the 10.5". My lower is mostly SAA, (like to support the locals), I'm thinking of their 7" upper with a A2 buffer. All the stuff I have read says that 7" doesn't seam to have gas problems much anymore. Oh, and I'm thinking of 5.56 chamber.

I would really like to hear your opinions. My only AR experience is with a DPMS AR 10. I love the rifle and it will shoot any .308 win (7.62x51) that you put in it! no matter how cheap.

Thanks a lot I look forward to what you think!

 

[idahoan]

5.56 in either size barrel is going to be interesting. Are you planning on a suppressor? If not I would not recommend a muzzle brake that vents to the top or sides. The A2 buffer is a good call, just put a wrap on it so its more comfortable and your good to go. I haven't had allot of experience with the short 5.56 barrels (they were uncomfortable to shoot) but I do like my 300 blackout pistol with a suppressor.

That DPMS is an awesome rifle isn't it? I have the 24" bull barrel version and it will easily outshoot my abilities.

 

[Liberty97045]

"A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle."
http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

Are you talking about a conversion from a rifle? If so you are on dangerous ground.

 

[MadThylacine]

"A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle."
http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

Are you talking about a conversion from a rifle? If so you are on dangerous ground.

No, not conversion. Bought new receiver and filed as other.

 

[MadThylacine]

I wasn't thinking of a suppressor. I think I will look more into the 300 blackout for the short barrel.

Thanks for your thoughts!

 

[idahoan]

I wasn't thinking of a suppressor. I think I will look more into the 300 blackout for the short barrel.

Thanks for your thoughts!

one of the benefits of 300 blackout is that its performance isn't hurt by short barrels, it was designed for an ~8" barrel (its either 8 or 8.5 i can't remember)

 

[MadThylacine]

Finished the pistol with a SAA upper 7" 556 with a carbine buffer. Shoots flawless! I can shoot it in just about any position with no problems. I think I'm going to keep it 556, because ammo is everywhere. Me and my older son, 25th 509th Airborne, shot the crap out of it and it was a blast! Was not hard to keep group close with in 100 yards, which surprised me. It was easy to hit targets 75 yards away with Iron sites. I'm in love with it and will probably make a few configurations just for fun. But for CQB it's awesome!

I would like to thank you all for your input!
And a Big shout out to Idahoan for your advise and care to answer my many questions.
I will post porn shot of it when I figure that out on this site in the near future.......
You guys are great! Thank you again!