Last year at a garage sale I bought a lot of 30 cal. bullets among them were some 180 grain Hereter's Wasp-Waist Bullets. Well yesterday I when to the range to try them out. I loaded them with IMR4350 (my pet load) for this weight bullets. I can shoot off the bench 1 1/4" five shot groups all day with Speer bullets. Well in 50 rounds of these Hereter's Wasp-Waist Bullets I never had more than three bullets stay with in 2" and in every five shot sting I would get one or two flyer's that would open the group up to 3" or 4"...... Now I know why you don't see these for sale any more. Looks like an interesting idea and cool looking bullet that didn't work out. I did have fun ringing the gongs with them... So all go in the end.