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Here is what the gun grabbers are doing in california

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by fredball, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. fredball

    fredball Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    NATIONAL RIFLE Associ ATION oF A MERICA
    INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION
    11250 WAPLES MILL ROAD
    FAIRFAX, V I RG I N IA 22030
    {i)NRA
    Dear Californ ia NRA Member:
    O FFICE OF THE DIRECTOR
    STATE AND LoCAL AFFAIRS DIVISION
    As a Cal ifornia resident, you have probably become accustomed to receiving legislative alerts
    warning that your state legislature is debating new gun control bills.
    But we've never seen anything like this.
    As I write this letter, both the Assembly and Senate are poised to debate and pass dozens of new
    gun control bills- some of them incredibly restrictive- which only affect responsible and law-abiding
    citizens, not violent criminals.
    Many of these misguided bills have already progressed in the legislative process. Some of these
    bills have already been voted out of committee, and others have been passed by one entire legislative
    chamber or the other. We must act now- there's very little time.
    This steamroller js already moving to crush yoyr rights. If we don't stop jt. yoyr rights will be
    destroyed beyond recognition.
    What's at stake'? A ban on your right to self-defense in the home. A sweeping new gun ban,
    encompassing millions of more guns. A dangerous effort to erode hunting and the millions of dollars in
    economic activity and conservation that it brings- statewide. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Let
    me describe just a few or these attacks Til Sacramento on your rignts.
    • S.B. 108 strips your right to self-defense in the home, by mandating that guns be locked away
    regardless of whether anyone is present. So when you hear that crash of glass breaking in the
    night, you' ll have to hope that the home invaders will wait pol itely while you fumble to open your
    locked gun safe- if you can even get to it.
    • S.B. 374 expands the failed and flawed California gun ban to cover millions of more guns,
    including all semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines. Fi le this under "if we can't figure out
    how to ban the guns we don't like, we' ll just ban them all."
    • A.B. 711 erodes hunting in California by mandating the use of ammunition that's not widely
    available. Banning lead ammunition for hunting will force hunters to use ammunition that is much
    more expensive, and is hard to find on today's market. And if you think you can just buy it online,
    see the next bill below and think again.
    SH71/SS38 NRA-ILA | ILA Home
    • S.B. 53 bans all online and mail order sales of ammunition in California, and strips away the privacy rights
    of ammunition buyers by requiring a purchase permit, registration and thumbprint for ALL ammunition
    purchases. Gun stores won't have any time to sell guns if they have to put every ammunition purchaser
    through this wringer of red tape.
    • S.B. 293 gives bureaucrats the power to ban handguns. It would take ALL existing handguns off the
    market in California if a state bureaucrat approves the sale of so-called "owner-authorized" handguns.
    That's exactly how the legislature managed to mandate "microstamping," which has now effectively
    frozen the list of "approved" handguns in California.
    • S.B. 396 criminalizes the possession of standard, factory ammunition magazines. All magazines with a
    capacity of more than ten rounds would be completely banned, even the ones that are "grandfathered"
    now. Owners would be subject to arrest, and the magazines could be confiscated and destroyed.
    And as I said, that's just a sampling. There are literally dozens of anti-gun bills that attack your freedom
    with bans, taxes, permits and registration, regulations and restrictions. Again, these deeply flawed bills would
    do nothing to target crime or violent criminals, but simply target the responsible gun owners and sportsmen
    in the Golden State. The debate is underway now.
    Now is the time to make your voice heard! You must contact your lawmakers in the state Assembly
    and Senate. Tell the politicians in Sacramento to oppose any new restrictions on your rights. Then contact
    Governor Jerry Brown and respectfully urge him to veto any bill that restricts your rights. The contact
    information for your state lawmakers is below:
    Assemblyman:
    Assemblyman Brian W. Jones
    (916) 319-2071
    assemblymember.Jones@assembly.ca.gov
    Senator:
    Senator Mark Wyland
    (916) 651-4038
    Senator. Wyland@sen.ca.gov
    Governor:
    Governor Jerry Brown
    (916) 445-2841
    http:/ I govnews.ca.gov I gov39mail/ mail.php
    Nothing less than your privacy. your freedom. and your right to self-defense are at stake in this debate.
    We must act now to protect our Constitutional freedoms! Contact your lawmakers and ask them to oppose any
    new restrictions on your rights. Call today- before it's too late!
    Sincerely,
    Charles H. Cunningham
    Director, State & Local Affairs, NRA-ILA
    PS: Help spread the word! Please post the enclosed flyer anywhere your friends, family and co-workers might
    see it. Visit NRA-ILA | CA to download a version you can email to fellow shooters and hunters, or share
    through social media! Do it today before it's too late!
    SH71/SS38
    What's at Stake: Your Privacy, Your Freedom,
    and Your Right to Self Defense
    AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY JUNE 27, 2013
    AMENDED IN SENATE APRIL I, 201 3
    AMENDED IN SENATE MARCH II , 2013
    FACT: S.B. 108 Strips Your Right to
    Self-Defense in the Home!
    AMENDED IN SENATE MAY 28, 2013
    SENATE BILL
    FACT: S.B. 374 Bans Millions of
    Commonly-Owned Guns!
    AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 12, 2013
    AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL II, 2013
    AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 19, 2013
    CALIFORN IA LEGISLATU RE- 2013-14 REGULAR SESSION
    SSEMBLY BILL
    FACT: AB 711 Effectively Bans
    Hunting in California!
    (Coauthor: Senator Steinberg)
    February 21 , 2013
    No.374
    No. 711
    An act to amend Section 3004.5 of the Fish and Game Code, relating
    to hunting.
    S I 'S 01 FS
    Politiciann-sactamentlfAre About
    to Steamroll Your Rights
    Politicians in Sacramento are debating new restrictions on your Second
    Amendment rights, but they're not being honest about the real stakes in this
    debate. They want you to believe that your rights aren't at risk. But now
    they're not only trying to ban certain rifles, but also ban handguns, erode
    hunting and strip your right of self-defense in the home. The stakes in this
    debate are real, and they affect the freedoms of all Californians.
    Here are just a few highlights of the steamroller headed for your rights:
    S.B. 108: Strips your right to self-defense in the home, by mandating that
    guns be locked away regardless of whether anyone is present.
    S.B. 374: Expands the failed California gun ban to cover millions of more
    guns, including all semiautomatic rifles with detachable magazines.
    A.B. 711: Erodes hunting in California, by mandating the use of
    ammunition that is not widely available.
    S.B. 53: Strips away the privacy rights of ammunition buyers by
    requiring a purchase permit, registration and thumbprint for ALL
    S.B. 293: Gives bureaucrats the power to ban the sale of handguns.
    S.B. 396: Criminalizes the possession of standard, factory ammunition
    magazines.
    There's much more- literally dozens of bills that attack your
    rights with bans, taxes, permits and registration, regulations and
    restrictions. The debate is underway right now in the state legislature.
    Make your voice heard!
    Protect Your Freedom, Your Privacy and
    Your Right to Self Defense!
    Tell the Politicians in Sacramento to Oppose
    Any New Restrictions on Your Rights!
    Contact Your Lawmakers Today! www.Hndyourrep.legislature.ca.gov for Contact Info
    NRA-ILA Paid for by NRA-Institute for Legislative Action, www.nrai la.org
     
  2. Mongo1

    Mongo1 Santiam Canyon Active Member

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    The only answer is to move out of the people republic
     
  3. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    And take your job, retirement or business with you!
     
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  4. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    I wonder how many friends who still live down there will be relocating if this crap passes? A friend who runs a gun shop near Folsom said that even if it passes there are already pending law suits challenging the constitutionality of these bills but it will just leave everything in limbo for who knows how many years while the courts make up their mind. Certainly glad I don't live in that pit of despair.
     
  5. Netspirit

    Netspirit Bellevue, WA Active Member

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    It is only a matter of time before the decease spreads to OR and WA, if the number of gun enthusiasts does not climb.

    Believe me or not, I think that ordinary liberal gun-grabbers are genuinely good people. They dislike death, blood and violence, they care about climate change and the poor and the minorities. So they dislike guns too, since guns = death, blood and violence, at least in the movies and newspapers.

    So they find guns offensive and repulsive, they would never own one themselves just like you would never own a poisonous snake. However, being unarmed makes them feel unsafe since they end up the only unarmed in our armed society. So in order to restore the equality they want to ban all guns and make the entire country one huge "Gun Free Zone", so that their chances of getting assassinated are not any higher than yours or mine.

    This is precisely what socialists did in economics - when everybody is equally poor, there arises a common feeling of equality and fairness.

    "Gun Free Zones" are only laughable if there are few of them. If there are lots of them, they do "work" - they spread the risk, making everybody equally vulnerable and police-dependent. Which liberals already are, by choice, and they need company.

    This country indeed has a mental health problem related to guns. It is the anti-gun paranoia/phobia that is best cured not by political campaigning or "open carry marches", but rather by exposing as many people as possible to the firearms culture. It has a very strong magic.
     
  6. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Kalifornika is a waste and we should give it to Mexico and put up barbed wire at the north and east borders to the US. The state is a lost cause and infested with marxists and communists. It has been getting worse since the 50's and now beyond saving.
    We should have relocated the Berlin wall there with all its gun towers. They moved the London bridge to somewhere in Texas I believe, so why not the wall along CA. :D
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  7. quneur

    quneur Mukilteo, Wa Member

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    I will have to disagree to a point. I distinguish between those people who don't believe they are effected by the gun issue yet talk for the sake of talking and those truly vehement for gun control. The later are very closed minded and unless your lifestyle is approved by them, they will turn a snobby, holier than thou attitude towards you. These are the extremist but let them gain momentum and it will become the norm. Marijuana movement, Occupy Wall Street, Vietnam protests, etc. are all examples of the few influencing the many. Left alone it will become public opinion. Those that yell the loudest often gets the most attention.

    Those who don't have a strong opinion or who aren't affected can be persuaded but those above are closed minded and the 'discussion' will often come down to, "they don't want to take your guns away, they don't want to take your guns away, they don't want to take your guns away...' ad nauseam.

    I believe urbanites need to step out of the city and turn off their cell phones for a week. You will surprise of how seldom you will think of petty stuff as buying the latest iphone, what's playing in the movie theater, who's doing what, where, etc. Being in the city, you are constantly exposed to competitive lifestyle (shops, tv ads, other people), opinions of others and the base need to conform and to those who yell the loudest. Social indoctrination.
     
  8. transient

    transient SW Washington! New Member

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    I joined the forum recently because my wife and I are planning on a PNW relocation for retirement. At this point, and for the forseeable future, the CA legislature is dominated by gun control extremists. Eventually, say within 10 years, I expect gun rights in CA to be reduced to the lowest level that the courts will allow:

    -The only new handguns that will be available will be revolvers.
    -New long guns will be limited to bolt or lever-actions or single-shots.
    -Non-FFL sales of ammo will be prohibited.
    -Both gun and ammo sales will have heavily taxed.
    -Possession of guns or ammo will require ongoing training and a state permit.
     
  9. John H

    John H Whatcom County Well-Known Member

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    They basicly have control of it anyways. :laugh:
     
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  10. dmv9

    dmv9 Seattle, WA Member

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    OP, what's with all the weird formatting and typos???

    Where did this email/letter come from? Did you read the actual CA bills?

    SB108 - is only when the person is away from home - Bill Text - SB-108 Firearms.
    SB 53 - doesn't ban all internet ammo sales, only that they have to go through a dealer

    I'm definitely PISSED AT California but I'm also pissed when people try to make the situation worse. The two bills above are not represented accurately in the original post which means I don't trust that source. The bills suck but not to the extent that it's represented.

    Just my $.02
     
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  11. gonefishinagain

    gonefishinagain Vancouver, WA Member

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