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HELP! Remington Model 12????

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by freeman3911, Jun 20, 2012.

  1. freeman3911

    freeman3911 Portland, OREGON Member

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    Hello my shooting friends!

    My step dad recently gave me a firearm which has been in the family since the early 1900s. It is a Remington pump action .22cal. After my initial google search I seem to think this is model 12.

    I tried loading the gun but for some reason the cartridge gets stuck and the breach wont close.

    I sucked up my pride and went into the notorious GUN ROOM and asked for help. Those old bastards wanted to charge me $150 just to clean the firearm. I immediately walked out before I went HAM on the greedy jerk....

    I'm looking for anyone who can help me identify the rifle and also any suggestions on where I can go to get this thing looked at. It would be great if I could get the firearm into working condition again (my great great grandfather used it to hunt squirrels), but only if this won't ruin the value of the rifle.

    If it can't be repaired it will just have to sit on the wall to be admired....

    THANKS!

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  2. EMP9596

    EMP9596 Two Trees West of Camas, WA. Active Member

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    For a start: Is it marked on the barrel in plain sight for which .22 cartridge or cartridges it is chambered in? Any of the below or combination of the three.

    .22 Short
    .22 Long
    .22 Long Rifle

    After thought: My son has an older Winchester take down pump .22 that will not chamber Remington Thunderbolt ammo.
     
  3. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    Looks to be a model 12A as it has a round barrel instead of octagon. I would run a brush down the barrel and use a bore light to make sure you dont have some corrosion in the chamber. This should be s,l,lr if it were octagon barrel then it could be a short version.
     
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  4. bow503

    bow503 where it rains most the time Active Member

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  5. freeman3911

    freeman3911 Portland, OREGON Member

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    THanks for the info so far!

    The gun is marked "22 short long or long rifle"

    It has a serial # of: RW 203152

    I couldn't find anywhere to look up the number, it'd be great to know the year

    The barrel has writing that I can read in the daylight (currently 9:14pm) but it lists of the patent years from 1909 to 1912 from what I can remember...

    I'm sure its been dry fried a million times so there has to be some sort of damage internally from what I can see with my eyes; it has to be a more than just corrosion...

    I'd love to be able to shoot this thing!
     
  6. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    What is this in the pic, doesnt look right.
     
  7. Lindy

    Lindy Central Ca. Member

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    Remington Owners,

    Remington Year of Manufacture Codes maybe found on the barrel of your Remington rifle [or shotgun] on the left side, just forward of the receiver; the first letter of the Code is the month of manufacture, followed by one or two letters which are the year of manufacture. For shotguns with removeable barrels, the code will be valid for the manufacture of the barrel; maybe for the receiver, as barrels do get switched around.

    According to the "Blue Book of Gun Values", the coding continues as follows:

    Month Codes: [first letter]
    B - L - A - C - K - P - O - W - D - E - R - X
    1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12

    Year:______Code: [second (and third*) letters]
    1930_______ Y
    1931_______ Z
    1932_______ A
    1933_______ B
    1934_______ C
    1935_______ D
    1936_______ E
    1937_______ F
    1938_______ G
    1939_______ H

    1940_______ J
    1941_______ K
    1942_______ L
    1943_______ MMZ
    1944_______ NN
    1945_______ PP
    1946_______ RR
    1947_______ SS
    1948_______ TT
    1949_______ UU

    1950_______ WW
    1951_______ XX
    1952_______ YY
    1953_______ ZZ
    1954_______ A
    1955_______ B
    1956_______ C
    1957_______ D
    1958_______ E
    1959_______ F

    1960_______ G
    1961_______ H
    1962_______ J
    1963_______ K
    1964_______ L
    1965_______ M
    1966_______ N
    1967_______ P
    1968_______ R
    1969_______ S

    1970_______ T
    1971_______ U
    1972_______ W
    1973_______ X
    1974_______ Y
    1975_______ Z
    1976_______ I
    1977_______ O
    1978_______ Q
    1979_______ V

    1980_______ A
    1981_______ B
    1982_______ C
    1983_______ D
    1984_______ E
    1985_______ F
    1986_______ G
    1987_______ H
    1988_______ I
    1989_______ J

    1990_______ K
    1991_______ L
    1992_______ M
    1993_______ N
    1994_______ O
    1995_______ P
    1996_______ Q
    1997_______ R
    1998_______ S
    1999_______ T
    2000_______ U
    2001_______ W
    2002_______ X

    * the years 1943 though 1953 had double letters: ie, MM = 1943

    As maybe seen, the year code letters duplicate; some knowledge of when the model was introduced should resolve the actual year of manufacture.

    Remington owners: COPY this table to your Hard Drive......! !

    another couple helpfull links: http://www.remington.com/library/his...irearm_models/

    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nviss/do...Codelist21.pdf

    Good Shooting

    Lindy
     
  8. Lindy

    Lindy Central Ca. Member

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    The Info That I posted in the above reply will not tell you when Your Mod. 12A was manufactured, But if You go to the Web site listed below ( Join) and ask about the rifle , You should be able to determine the year it was made. The info in the previous post starts at the year 1930, they quit making Model 12s in 1934


    Remington Society - View forum - General comments or discussion
     
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  9. jonn5335

    jonn5335 Longview Active Member

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    Here's a picture of my action just for a comparison sorry it's kinda dirty
     
  10. Swedish K

    Swedish K SW Washington Moderator Staff Member

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    You can also make your own chamber iron from a piece of drill rod or the shank of a drill bit that is the same diameter as the chamber - file a flat on one side with a slight rounding at the corners and file or grind the other end into a square so you can put a wrench on it to turn it. In a pinch you can use a smooth shank section of a grade 8 bolt the up side is it has a hex head to put a wrench on but it may not hold up to extensive use.
     
  11. freeman3911

    freeman3911 Portland, OREGON Member

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    Thanks for a comparison pic! That is definitely what I am trying to figure out; the action in my rifle seems to be damage as you expertly highlighted in that first photo.

    Thanks for all the info folks, think i've got some good leads here