Oregon HB3075 - Repeals Ballot Measure 114, jacks up fees, litigation only in Marion County

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HB3075

I didn't see a dedicated thread, and I think this bill should have it's own space.

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[Black Dog]

Section 24 emergency declared. Doesn't that mean that the people can't bring it up for a vote of and by the people.

 

[arakboss]

Don't expect the courts to bail us out on this issue.

I would assume most everyone here has already bought everything they wanted. If you have been living under a rock and are just getting the news, buy what you want sooner rather than later. Or plan on getting a permit to purchase.

The BS train never ends.

 

[Saladfarmer]

34 pages of money grabbing tyranny.. what a way to start my week. Thank you Oregon, once again you have made me stupider than the moment before I read this ridiculous dribble. Thank you Portland metro and Eugene and Bend for enabling these flaming tyrants.

 

[arakboss]

There appear to be some firearms exempted from permit to purchase requirements that didn't exist in m114.


(15) A valid permit to purchase a firearm issued under ORS 166.505 is not required for a
firearm purchase from a gun dealer under this section if:
(a) The purchaser can demonstrate proof of completion of a firearm safety course as
defined in ORS 166.505 (8) and is purchasing:
(A) A single-shot rifle, whether centerfire or rimfire;
(B) A double-barreled shotgun;
(C) A repeating rifle, whether centerfire or rimfire, that has a bolt, lever, pump,
straight-pull or revolving action;
(D) A rifle with an attached tubular magazine designed to accept, and capable of operat-
ing only with, 0.22 caliber rimfire ammunition;
(E) A muzzleloader rifle; or
(F) A shotgun with a pump, break, lever or revolving action; or

 

[arakboss]

There appear to be some firearms exempted from permit to purchase requirements that didn't exist in m114.


(15) A valid permit to purchase a firearm issued under ORS 166.505 is not required for a
firearm purchase from a gun dealer under this section if:
(a) The purchaser can demonstrate proof of completion of a firearm safety course as
defined in ORS 166.505 (8) and is purchasing:
(A) A single-shot rifle, whether centerfire or rimfire;
(B) A double-barreled shotgun;
(C) A repeating rifle, whether centerfire or rimfire, that has a bolt, lever, pump,
straight-pull or revolving action;
(D) A rifle with an attached tubular magazine designed to accept, and capable of operat-
ing only with, 0.22 caliber rimfire ammunition;
(E) A muzzleloader rifle; or
(F) A shotgun with a pump, break, lever or revolving action; or

Straight pull AR15s rule!!!

 

[CamoDeafie]

Dedicated to just that one bill, no. But there is a thread on all of the bills proposed this session in Oregon Legislature

First Oregon gut and stuff bills for 2025

LC 2866 2025 Regular Session11/25/24 (JLM/ps) D R A F T SUMMARY Digest: The Act directs the Department of State Police to study background checks for gun transfers. (Flesch Readability Score: 67.5). Requires the Department of State Police to study the efficiency of firearm transfer criminal...

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[ScottInPDX]

There appear to be some firearms exempted from permit to purchase requirements that didn't exist in m114.


(15) A valid permit to purchase a firearm issued under ORS 166.505 is not required for a
firearm purchase from a gun dealer under this section if:
(a) The purchaser can demonstrate proof of completion of a firearm safety course as
defined in ORS 166.505 (8) and is purchasing:
(A) A single-shot rifle, whether centerfire or rimfire;
(B) A double-barreled shotgun;
(C) A repeating rifle, whether centerfire or rimfire, that has a bolt, lever, pump,
straight-pull or revolving action;
(D) A rifle with an attached tubular magazine designed to accept, and capable of operat-
ing only with, 0.22 caliber rimfire ammunition;
(E) A muzzleloader rifle; or
(F) A shotgun with a pump, break, lever or revolving action; or

But proof of training completion is still required, and more importantly, those exemptions go away in 2028:


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(Italics = removed/omitted)

Active mil and popo are the only exemptions left after July 1st 2028.

Staggering the effective dates is a sneaky move - obviously it softens the landing of the new restrictions. A lot of buyers will only get hit with the training requirement and think, "meh, that wasn't so bad." Or people who might have bought an AR for HD go for a pump shotgun instead to skip the permit process, and that may be the only gun they ever buy.

Then after everyone gets used to the new rules and the grumbling dies down, here comes the next phase.

But the shift from a blacklist to a whitelist is interesting too. Lists of "banned" (or in this case, permit required) firearms and features will always be a game of whack-a-mole with creative manufacturers. Pivoting from "here's a massive list of the things you can't buy" to "here's a very short list of the things you can buy (and we're certainly never going to update it as technology advances)" certainly seems like a more efficient way for them to achieve their goals. I wouldn't be surprised to see this kind of language pop up in more legislation, and it'll be interesting to see how it holds up to legal challenges.

In the meantime, who's got a lead on a .308 gattling gun? I've got 3 years to save up for it.

 

[arakboss]

But proof of training completion is still required, and more importantly, those exemptions go away in 2028:

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(Italics = removed/omitted)

Active mil and popo are the only exemptions left after July 1st 2028.

Staggering the effective dates is a sneaky move - obviously it softens the landing of the new restrictions. A lot of buyers will only get hit with the training requirement and think, "meh, that wasn't so bad." Or people who might have bought an AR for HD go for a pump shotgun instead to skip the permit process, and that may be the only gun they ever buy.

Then after everyone gets used to the new rules and the grumbling dies down, here comes the next phase.

But the shift from a blacklist to a whitelist is interesting too. Lists of "banned" (or in this case, permit required) firearms and features will always be a game of whack-a-mole with creative manufacturers. Pivoting from "here's a massive list of the things you can't buy" to "here's a very short list of the things you can buy (and we're certainly never going to update it as technology advances)" certainly seems like a more efficient way for them to achieve their goals. I wouldn't be surprised to see this kind of language pop up in more legislation, and it'll be interesting to see how it holds up to legal challenges.

In the meantime, who's got a lead on a .308 gattling gun? I've got 3 years to save up for it.

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Good info, I missed that.

 

[CamoDeafie]

It's also an interesting pivoting from the old legal standby of "if it is not expressly prohibited, it is permitted" to "if it is not expressly permitted, it is prohibited".

Edit, essentially flipping the entire principle of the US Constitution and legal framework to the other way around and ease people into 'if it's not permitted, it's banned"

 

[ilikegunspdx]

HB3075

I didn't see a dedicated thread, and I think this bill should have it's own space.

There are already two threads on this. This is the third. M114 and "gut and stuff" are the other 2. @Moderators thread merge? Other threads:

Oregon - Measure 114 litigation

The problem I've found talking to multiple supporters of M114 around the time of the vote is their "understanding" of the issue pretty much never exceeds "guns=bad, therefore anything against guns=good." Not only do they not know any more than that, but they don't really want to. You could point...

www.northwestfirearms.com

First Oregon gut and stuff bills for 2025

LC 2866 2025 Regular Session11/25/24 (JLM/ps) D R A F T SUMMARY Digest: The Act directs the Department of State Police to study background checks for gun transfers. (Flesch Readability Score: 67.5). Requires the Department of State Police to study the efficiency of firearm transfer criminal...

www.northwestfirearms.com

 

[ValleyAR]

Feel like this one should have its own thread, entirely new battle.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Feel like this one should have its own thread, entirely new battle.

Actually it's a replacement for m114. Same battle

 

[arakboss]

Feel like this one should have its own thread, entirely new battle.

I agree. The Apellate Court may just let M114 die, but this will survive and be a new battle.

 

[arakboss]

Be prepared for retailers to stop shipping 11+ mags to Oregon when they get wind of this bill.

Edit. Many retailers get spooked and preemptively stop sales when legislation like this gets tossed around. The 11+ mag ban appears to be retroactive back to 2022. Some retailers might make their decision to cut us off, based on whether they think HB 3075 will pass or not. It's pretty much a no brainer that it will pass.

 

[nwslopoke]

I agree. The Apellate Court may just let M114 die, but this will survive and be a new battle.

114 was put to a "vote". To replace that doesn't it have to be a ballot measure?

 

[arakboss]

114 was put to a "vote". To replace that doesn't it have to be a ballot measure?

Not sure about that? It appears they are attempting to pass their own version borrowing language from M114. I guess we won't know for sure until we hear from the Appellate Court or they pass HB 3075.

 

[CamoDeafie]

114 was put to a "vote". To replace that doesn't it have to be a ballot measure?

Don't think so, they (Legislature) can "fix" BMs and pass/kill depending on who/what. SB 348 was the Senate version last time around and it died in committee

 

[Black Dog]

114 was put to a "vote". To replace that doesn't it have to be a ballot measure?

No remember NO DRIVER LICENSE FOR UNDOCUMENTED. We the people passed that by almost 75%. Brown over rode that and put a EMERGENCY clause on it so we could not vote on it again.

 

[arakboss]

My prediction is Appellate Court sides with the State in M114 case and this bill passes easily.