Have you donated to SAF, GOA or NRA today?

[timac]

GOA, SAF and the NRA, fight for our natural right to protect ourselves and families. We all already know the groups that want us stripped our rights.
Every time I get one of these emails, I donate to the pro freedom groups. Think about donating to the good guys.




Fourteen work colleagues gunned down at a holiday party in San Bernardino, California.

Five shot in Seattle's Capitol Hill.

Nine students and their teacher shot to death in a classroom in Roseburg, Oregon.

Nine parishioners executed during Bible study in Charleston, South Carolina.



Each victim represents a family that will never be the same. Children who will grow up without a mom or dad. Parents who will never see their child graduate from college. Beloved friends, mentors, and community leaders gone forever.

These are lives that have been torn apart because it's too easy in America for guns to fall into the wrong hands.

Most gun tragedies in 2015 didn't make the national news. Tens of thousands lost their lives because it's too easy for dangerous people to get guns. It's too easy for children to access guns that aren't properly stored. And it's too easy for people in crisis to get guns and keep them -- even when families tell law enforcement that they are a risk to themselves and others.

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[Buster1]

I upgraded my NRA membership to lifetime earlier this month. Does that count?

 

[edslhead]

https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?src=rk&ek=Y5AJ103P&gclid=CJ3Y95js_skCFYMDaQodC4IP-g

 

[shibbershabber]

I continue to support groups like the NRA & GOA...
Because they do have some power, though I'm dismayed at their unwillingness to be proactive at the state level... Which is where we're going to lose our rights.

Anti gun groups like the one that sent you the email will take your money and put something on the ballot.
The NRA or GOA won't. That's the problem.

Little state level groups can spend s few grand and some volunteer hours to get something on the ballot that we end up spending hundreds of thousands to fight, unsuccessfully most of the time.

It's stupid.

Why can't WE spend a little $ and put something pro gun on the ballot and let Bloomberg spend a million trying to fight it?

We are bigger and more powerful than the anti gun lobby... Yet we sit on our hands and stick out heads in the sand...

It's ridiculous. To me it sounds like a great idea. Lets get something on the ballot!
This falls on deaf ears @ the NRA, who is more concerned with my early renewal or selling me an insurance policy than making something happen.

It's like watching your team lose the game. We're getting sacked and throwing interceptions left and right. If the coach would just try a new tactic, we might score. But its not even half time and it already looks like we're going to lose... the waiting for the game to be over is the worst part.

 

[Foreverlost]

............sent donation to OFF

Foreverlost,

 

[Siglvr]

Everytime I buy anything on Amazon or from Fred Meyers, Oregon Firearms Federation gets the rebate. It was easy to sign up for, suggest everyone do it.

You have to sign up and use this Amazon link when you buy Amazon stuff. Just make sure you are logged into Smil Amazon not Amazon. Everything looks identical except one is giving back, one isn't: Easy. https://smile.amazon.com/

For Fred Meyer, you have to sign up for rewards and then direct them to give the rebate to OFF. Easy stuff. https://www.fredmeyer.com/topic/rewards-3

 

[DuneHopper]

I renewed my yearly NRA, for this year I am not supporting OFF unless I see a clear direction from them be the first year in a long time I haven't. I renewed the NRA cause I know at the federal level there looks like a big fight brewing.

 

[WasrNwarpaint]

It's stupid.

Why can't WE spend a little $ and put something pro gun on the ballot and let Bloomberg spend a million trying to fight it?

We are bigger and more powerful than the anti gun lobby... Yet we sit on our hands and stick out heads in the sand...

I feel your frustration.......
guys in here have no real interest in a fight to defend their rights if it entails more than sending an email to the people that refuse to listen because they are the ones after your rights ....what a ridiculous waste of effort.

in the north west we are on our own here to fight bloomberg and his sell out demyrats and despite that fact
we have had several real offending issues this past year to go proactive attacks on the demyrats to make them defend themselves for a change & shed light on their sneaky tactics so the sheeple will understand , but to no avail
this place is a circle jerk of guys yelling molon labe or wanting to show up at a rally with long guns to scare the crap out of legislators....
clearly the democrat millionaires take far more interest in the country & its direction (as messed up athan do the millionaire republicans

speaks to the intelligence levels, no?

 

[Caveman Jim]

I have been an NRA member for over 20 years and send in an annual donation.
That being said, I realize that a lobbying agency can get stuff done on a federal level but it is the states citizens responsibility to get organized and SPEAK LOUDLY of our discontent of the legislator that defies our wishes!!!
Get up off the couch where it is comfortable and get busy converting those fence sitters in your little world.
Remember that many who voted D the last few times are not happy that the elected progressive socialist/marxist liberals instead of Democrats... they need to know that their party has been high jacked by elites who want a NWO.
Do not leave your rights to the enemy who organized better than we did last year!!!

I also realize that no political party is perfect but I will never vote for a party that will chip away and try to infringe on my BOR!!!!

 

[Dave Workman]

Don't forget SAF..its lawsuits have been fairly successful.

 

[shibbershabber]

If I were capable of writing an initiative properly, id be on it on a heartbeat.

It takes more than open carry rallies.
I feel like the population is closer and closer to accepting new pro gun laws after every shooting.
People on the fence see the killings and hear the gov and media pimp the same bs laws everytime. They see through it.

It sucks that I cant do anything about it. We need real action in congress, and on the ballot.

If we aren't fighting proactively, we'll be crying in our beers in no time wondering what the hell happened.

594 should've been a wake up call. Unfortunately no one answered it.

Sentiment flares up around election time and after shootings (on both sides really)
But WE dont have the follow through.
The right stays home on election day, whining and piddling about how the Republican on the ticket isn't conservative enough or on the right issues. Therefore ignoring the rest of the local issues and really handing the race to the Dem.

It's time for Republicans to suck it up and vote. Become activists.

Otherwise our kids will not know the traditions we do, the freedoms we do...
They'll grow up in an America like Australia where lever actions get classified as assault weapons.

And. We're. Going. To. Let. It. Happen.

 

[Brutus57]

Re-Joined the NRA over two months ago, still waiting for my "free gift". Did get one American Rifleman so far. But every week they email me to join or send money and then a snail mail waste of money envelope as well....

From what I have seen they have given up on fighting for our rights in the NW, I believe they see it as a lost cause. Have they sued the State of WA over I-594? Funny how our state supreme court can decide citizens' initiatives that demand lower taxes, license tabs are unconstitutional or simply allow the legislature to ignore them but the Initiatives that ARE unconstitutional become law with no SERIouS challenges from the gun lobby.

Unless you have all the boom sticks and ammo you feel you need when they come to get them or expect you to turn them in.... I'd not give them much more. In the NW I think we can agree ALL the 2A groups seem to batting below the Mendoza line. IMHO, YMMV.

Can anybody name a real, meaningful win for 2A rights up here recently, anyone? Buehler? Buehler? Anyone?

Brutus Out

 

[Dave Workman]

From what I have seen they have given up on fighting for our rights in the NW, I believe they see it as a lost cause. Have they sued the State of WA over I-594? Funny how our state supreme court can decide citizens' initiatives that demand lower taxes, license tabs are unconstitutional or simply allow the legislature to ignore them but the Initiatives that ARE unconstitutional become law with no SERIouS challenges from the gun lobby.

Don't throw in the towel just yet.
SAF has filed a federal lawsuit against I-594, still in its early stages.
SAF and NRA and NSSF filed a lawsuit against Seattle gun tax. Still in early stages.

I think "shibbershabber" arrived at some degree of logic above when he noted that far too many conservatives stay home and whine on the forums rather than vote because the Republican isn't "perfect" by their individual standards.
geez, get over it. Nobody is going to agree with you on 100 percent of the issues unless you are the candidate. But a man or woman who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is better than someone who never agrees with you.
Regaining the majority takes time. Vote in Republicans now, and next time around vote in Libertarian-Republicans. You guys don't understand this?
The left voted for Democrats. Then they voted for far left Democrats. Cripes, they even elected a socialist in Seattle.

The more I think back on the 594 situation, it just infuriates me to know that tens of thousands of "our people" didn't apparently vote (the turnout was just over 50%), or they actually voted for the bloody thing. Had everyone voted, and passed I-591 in the process as well, we would not be where we are today.

To not vote and then whine about the election results on the forums is somewhere south of deplorable.

 

[Brutus57]

Don't throw in the towel just yet.
SAF has filed a federal lawsuit against I-594, still in its early stages.
SAF and NRA and NSSF filed a lawsuit against Seattle gun tax. Still in early stages.

I think "shibbershabber" arrived at some degree of logic above when he noted that far too many conservatives stay home and whine on the forums rather than vote because the Republican isn't "perfect" by their individual standards.
geez, get over it.

The more I think back on the 594 situation, it just infuriates me to know that tens of thousands of "our people" didn't apparently vote (the turnout was just over 50%), or they actually voted for the bloody thing. Had everyone voted, and passed I-591 in the process as well, we would not be where we are today.

To not vote and then whine about the election results on the forums is somewhere south of deplorable.

I vote in every state election and have since I turned 18. I spoke with over 50 friends, relatives, acquaintances and coworkers about voting 591 vs 594, signed the 591 petition when it came out. I won't even vote for a dog catcher with a D hung on the end of their name. Dave, I know you were vocal but where was the NRA in getting pro 591 messages out vs the Bellingham ex chief TV ads pro 594? Can they say they spent all the money they raised in WA or OR fighting these anti 2A initiatives or referendums?

If many 2A folks sat at home and didn't vote then there's a problem with NRA messaging, which leads us back to the point they didn't invest time nor money before the vote, when it could have been most effective. This wasn't about Rs or Ds, this failure was not energizing the base, or, I think more accurately....We 2A supporters were beat before the vote was taken because we were in the minority and the NRA and the like failed to reach moderates, or even the libertarians that are pro 2A but may differ on the economy, right to life, etc.

They had plenty of time as 594 signatures were gathered and they should have been deluging all the TV stations with right to equal time for the pro 591 viewpoint. Maybe it's time for them to try different tactics and ACTUALLY produce some meaningful victories. How about going after educating the Paul Allens and Hanauers of the world before the left gets them in their back pocket? How much of the money that they raise from Joe Average on the street actually goes back in to the fight LOCALLY? I know churches that do 90 or 100% back in to the mission they raise funds for...

How about orchestrating some MASSIVE 2A demonstrations and parades and working to oust any mayor or city councilman that tries to deny a permit?

Trying to build a new gate after the cows got out and buying a new cutting horse to get them back in is a little late in the day....

Brutus Out

 

[Sgt Nambu]

OFF, on Saturday! More to come!

 

[RB87]

Don't throw in the towel just yet.
SAF has filed a federal lawsuit against I-594, still in its early stages.
SAF and NRA and NSSF filed a lawsuit against Seattle gun tax. Still in early stages.

I think "shibbershabber" arrived at some degree of logic above when he noted that far too many conservatives stay home and whine on the forums rather than vote because the Republican isn't "perfect" by their individual standards.
geez, get over it. Nobody is going to agree with you on 100 percent of the issues unless you are the candidate. But a man or woman who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is better than someone who never agrees with you.
Regaining the majority takes time. Vote in Republicans now, and next time around vote in Libertarian-Republicans. You guys don't understand this?
The left voted for Democrats. Then they voted for far left Democrats. Cripes, they even elected a socialist in Seattle.

The more I think back on the 594 situation, it just infuriates me to know that tens of thousands of "our people" didn't apparently vote (the turnout was just over 50%), or they actually voted for the bloody thing. Had everyone voted, and passed I-591 in the process as well, we would not be where we are today.

To not vote and then whine about the election results on the forums is somewhere south of deplorable.

You can't blame this all on voter participation. You don't run against a million+ dollars anti-gun campaign by splitting your support with a competing bill in 591. You just fight the anti-gun bill. You don't shoot to your right, trying to signal to your enemy (and the supposed moderates on the fence) that you're not like them open carry nutsos on top of it and then expect to win any battles. All you do there is create disillusion among your most avid supporters.

You sure as heck don't get to bring up "vote in republicans now, next time libertarian-republicans" without a rebuke. I know, I know, its the most important election ever! I've heard that line for the last twenty years since I could first vote back in '96. I've heard it among general moderate republicans, the GOP(elite) and their chattering classes, the anti-feminst/men's/father's rights movement (I watched the hard left eat the moderate/working class left there), and the gun rights movement. We've all seen where the tea party went in its attempts to reform the republican party. My favorite was the "tea party hobbits" slur.

Recognize that you cannot just fight in the courts and legislatures. You cannot just play by the old rules. You must fight in the cultural battle space (see Trumps current campaign). Your opposition has been doing that for decades now. Its why you have little boys being suspended from school for having gi joe dolls with little toy guns or eating pop tarts into a gun shape. You can scoff all you want up there at the SAF or the NRA type groups but culture is what has done the most to turn the gun rights battle around via things like the internet and youtube videos. Not your wins in the courts. The courts that are one judge change away from reversing your Heller/McDonald rulings. The Supremes recently refused to hear the case in that Chicago suburb that banned assault weapon in their town, voting 7-2 against if I recall correctly. So, how's that court system working out for ya?

You're doing the work of the gun grabbers for them. Stop dancing to their tune. Stop letting them lead you around. You're so afraid of a confrontation, of drawing a line in the sand that you will continue to let them lead you to a death by a thousand cuts.

 

[Peak_oil]

None of those organizations are focused enough. It's time to buy a Senator.

 

[misterarman]

Upgraded to NRA Life Member 2013

SAF Life 2015

Join the fight please.
Onice we we lose something it's even harder to get it back.