Handgun purchase delay?

[mjbskwim]

They can legally transfer after no response from NICS in 3 days. But some shops won't. They wait for a proceed. I recently waited 33 days. 30 days for the instant check with my CPL number on form 4473. And after no response, cancelled original BG check and resubmitted to local Sheriff without CPL number on a new form 4473. Form submitted on Saturday, picked up gun on Monday. Proves that NICS doesn't always work the way it should and that having a CPL doesn't guarantee anything until a proceed is granted.

Like I said before,I'd get my money back and shop at a store that knows the laws.

 

[RK600]

I haven't carried once in Washington, or once in Oregon before I got my CHL. I'm not a huge fan of open carry, but I have thought about just slipping my holster outside of my shirt if I'm just going for a quick hop over the border. Of course I would have researched it first, but now I know not to do that.

Granted, many firearms laws are ridiculous. But am I the only one that thinks it is even more ridiculous to be "allowed" to carry openly on foot, but not in a vehicle? It seems counter-intuitive.

I really hope I'm not threadjacking here. It seems like this is good info for all. . .

I agree, it is a bit ridiculous. However, it's been that way for a long time.

 

[mjbskwim]

Technically you can carry a firearm into a post office as long as it is incidental to some other legal activity like WALKING DOWN THE STREET to get your mail.
Now I wouldn't advise open carrying cause you will attract more attention than you want by those who don't know the law.

I believe the idea of the cpl in the car is as soon as you sit in the car the gun is out of site,essentially concealed.
Just a guess on that

Oh and even though the state has a no preemptive law,Seattle and other cities like it will try to arrest you for open carry

 

[deen_ad]

No gun signs (in WA) do not have any weight of law behind them which is also a difference as they do in Oregon.

Well, kind of. If you carry into a location that is signed AND they notice you are carrying they HAVE to ask you to leave, IF you refuse you can be charged with trespassing.

And some places (McGrath's in Vancouver comes to mind, small green sign on the left of the door going in) post an official liquor sign at the door stating the weapons, even with a license are illegal on the premises. HOWEVER the only place it is in effect is the areas off limits to minors (the actual bar area). If they allow children into the restaurant then you can carry.


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[40calruler]

I am new to purchasing guns and am wondering what the deal is with delays in handgun purchases in washington state? What is the average time people wait? I don't understand how I can go buy an ar15 and be out the door with it in 15 minutes, yet here I sit 18 days after paying for my first pistol and still the shop says they "havnt heard anything yet, we'll call you when we do". I don't have any tickets or arrests. I didn't put my social security number on the form like I did when I purchased my AR last year, could that be the problem? Is this a normal time frame or is something else going on?

I lived in Washington most my life before moving to Oregon a few years back and I know for sure the delay is 3 days if you do not have a concealed carry and no delay if you have a permit. 18 days sounds like they are looking into a criminal charge that was not a felony or something to me. My Brother in law had that happen and had to wait almost a month.

 

[Mr Smith]

If I can walk down the street openly carrying (without a CPL, as you can in Oregon, with exceptions) do I have to unload when I reach my car? That just doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, unless you have a CPL.

now technically you can have it loaded in your car as long as you are parked with the engine off.

Soon as you start the engine the magazine needs to either be empty, or removed from the weapon. CPL allows carrying the handgun loaded and chambered in a vehicle.

 

[GunRightsCoalition]

Well, kind of. If you carry into a location that is signed AND they notice you are carrying they HAVE to ask you to leave, IF you refuse you can be charged with trespassing.

And some places (McGrath's in Vancouver comes to mind, small green sign on the left of the door going in) post an official liquor sign at the door stating the weapons, even with a license are illegal on the premises. HOWEVER the only place it is in effect is the areas off limits to minors (the actual bar area). If they allow children into the restaurant then you can carry.


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"Having a gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have it you may never need it again"

Correct, I've never been asked to leave although I avoid those places that are known to do so. I do occasionally have to tell a host seating me at a restaurant that I can't be seated in the bar area.

I haven't carried once in Washington, or once in Oregon before I got my CHL. I'm not a huge fan of open carry, but I have thought about just slipping my holster outside of my shirt if I'm just going for a quick hop over the border. Of course I would have researched it first, but now I know not to do that.

Granted, many firearms laws are ridiculous. But am I the only one that thinks it is even more ridiculous to be "allowed" to carry openly on foot, but not in a vehicle? It seems counter-intuitive.

I really hope I'm not threadjacking here. It seems like this is good info for all. . .

While the reasoning for this is the concealed nature of anything in a vehicle I believe the real reason is to collect permit fees for those that don't like the inconvenience. It's something I would like to get removed from the laws as it is the one area where WA is worse than OR. The areas in OR that don't have Open Carry ordinances that is.

I lived in Washington most my life before moving to Oregon a few years back and I know for sure the delay is 3 days if you do not have a concealed carry and no delay if you have a permit. 18 days sounds like they are looking into a criminal charge that was not a felony or something to me. My Brother in law had that happen and had to wait almost a month.

Actually the delay is 5 days in WA and that delay is only the amount of time that must pass before the FFL can transfer the firearm if they have received no response. It is not a mandatory waiting period. If the background check is returned before you walk out of the store then it can be transferred at that time. (While it is rare it does occasionally happen) When my daughter bought her handgun it was in the evening and the next morning around 11 AM they called her to come pick it up. With a permit the background check by LE is not required however the NICS check still is and that can and sometimes does delay a purchase. While they can transfer after 5 business days without a response they do not have to do so and the Sheriff can respond and delay it longer during that time as well.

WA State Licensing (DOL) Official Site: Firearms Purchase/Delivery Requirements

 

[GunRightsCoalition]

Here is the actual RCW dealing with purchase holds in WA.

RCW 9.41.090: Dealer deliveries regulated ? Hold on delivery.

 

[mjbskwim]

While they can transfer after 5 business days without a response they do not have to do so and the Sheriff can respond and delay it longer during that time as well.

If you do a nics check the sheriff never even knows till after the fact

 

[ironmike86]

Having a Cpl in Washington doesn't mean you get it. It still needs the check. I always get delayed 3 days before I can get my new gun. I just know now to buy Mon or Tues so I can take it home by Fri.

 

[RK600]

Interesting. Right after the school incident I had a bonus check burning a hole in my pocket. Went to a gun store and paid for my M&P on a Friday night. Got a call Monday morning it was ready for pickup. No CPL at that time.

 

[GunRightsCoalition]

If you do a nics check the sheriff never even knows till after the fact

This only applies if you already have a CPL.

 

[mjbskwim]

This only applies if you already have a CPL.

The store doesn't do a nics check if there is no cpl it is faxed to the sheriff to do

 

[BaggerRyder]

The store doesn't do a nics check if there is no cpl it is faxed to the sheriff to do

That's the part I don't get. Sheriff does all checks without CPL in WA. Why can he get a proceed from NICS faster than the LGS?

 

[40calruler]

Yes, unless you have a CPL.

now technically you can have it loaded in your car as long as you are parked with the engine off.

Soon as you start the engine the magazine needs to either be empty, or removed from the weapon. CPL allows carrying the handgun loaded and chambered in a vehicle.

Technically yes you can open carry in Oregon. Washington, Multnomah, and Clackamas countys however say you cannot. I have heard many say they cannot enforce the rule but they do have that as a "law" in those counties.

 

[Oceandive55]

Well I appreciate the replies, from the sounds of it it seems my wait is unusual but other have waited 30 days, or at least one of you have.

I have to fly out of state for work Monday, so today is the last day I'll be waiting, tommorow ill go in and try to get my money back. This has kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, i guess I'll wait until I can get a cpl and perhaps try again then. Pretty disappointing, oh well thanks for the help again.

 

[mjbskwim]

That's the part I don't get. Sheriff does all checks without CPL in WA. Why can he get a proceed from NICS faster than the LGS?

Because the sheriff is supposed to check your mental health too. He checks the state logs to see if you went to western state hospital for some treatment recently

 

[BaggerRyder]

And again... Sheriff checks more and gets done in 3 days what takes NICS to get done in 30?

 

[jkoehn]

Sounds like its pretty consistently a inconsistent.

I submitted the application for my CPL. A week later I got delayed for ten days and then approved on my first handgun BGC, and had to let it expire due to a short notice business trip. Came back, applied again, this time with my CPL, and going on day number 7 of this delay for the same gun from the same LGS. Total pain in the bubblegum.

And yes, they have a policy against taking home after a 72 hour delay.