Guns stolen at Freddy's

[BAMCIS]

Yeah, when did Fred Meyer start selling guns?

Many Freddy's outside the Portland Metro Area have gun and ammo sections. The one in Canby quickly comes to mind.

Well, I do live in the People's Democratic Republic......
Thanks.
Good to know. Hope it expands further. And they get to be competitive with the prices.

Fred Meyer needs to install 21st century cameras. There really is no excuse for such a crappy photo these days.

Exactly right.

They just need to head on down to Costco and get one of those 4 camera security systems that can be hooked up via wifi. They give really good pictures in real time, have an eight hour reserve (if the power or wifi is cut) and they cost way less than $500.00.

 

[3MTA3]

I can't speak for the others, but the one in Oregon City has pretty knowledgeable staff. When my wife and I were looking for a pistol for her, they had not only one but two women that assisted behind the counter that were able to give her advice from a woman's perspective (handling, racking, without breaking nails for example) in addition to the usual. Both were obvious enthusiasts and also carried. It made her feel much more comfortable about what she eventually purchased. Unfortunately, when she finally decided what she wanted and was ready they were out, so we purchased from a competitor. Prices were higher than elsewhere, but I am willing to pay a bit more for better service.

 

[DeanfromOregon]

They just need to head on down to Costco and get one of those 4 camera security systems that can be hooked up via wifi. They give really good pictures in real time, have an eight hour reserve (if the power or wifi is cut) and they cost way less than $500.00.

Lol! A decent camera for a front entry is around $900 minus cabling, installation, and storage. got to love the Costco systems though, they filter out the tire kickers.

 

[BAMCIS]

Lol! A decent camera for a front entry is around $900 minus cabling, installation, and storage. got to love the Costco systems though, they filter out the tire kickers.

You've got to admit what Costco is offering is a lot better than Fred Meyer apparently has now.

 

[DeanfromOregon]

Yes higher resolution, but it won't work for lots of reasons. The commercial grade of the type of system costco offers is roughly $2k per camera installed.

 

[etrain16]

Storage is a big issue. There are cameras out there that will easily give you HD resolution images (my company installs CCTV systems, among others). The problem usually isn't the camera cost, it's the storage. Megapixel cameras generate huge files even at slow frame rates like 15fps, which is slower than live action. Multiply that by 20 cameras per location and to have reasonable storage, you need terabytes of storage space, and that gets very spendy.

As for the OC Freddies, yes they have some good staff, but it's rare that you go back there and find anyone staffing the counter, plus it's tucked in the back of the store. Talking to an employee there yesterday, I was told that the Newberg incident wasn't a override of the locks - rather the guy took a hammer from the hardware section and smashed the glass case. Easy smash, grab and run, out in no time flat. Freddies probably needs to re-think at least the case design at a minimum - I'd hate to see them stop selling because I like using them. On top of that, their ammo case is not locked - that surprises me.

 

[DieselScout]

Storage is a big issue. There are cameras out there that will easily give you HD resolution images (my company installs CCTV systems, among others). The problem usually isn't the camera cost, it's the storage. Megapixel cameras generate huge files even at slow frame rates like 15fps, which is slower than live action. Multiply that by 20 cameras per location and to have reasonable storage, you need terabytes of storage space, and that gets very spendy.

As for the OC Freddies, yes they have some good staff, but it's rare that you go back there and find anyone staffing the counter, plus it's tucked in the back of the store. Talking to an employee there yesterday, I was told that the Newberg incident wasn't a override of the locks - rather the guy took a hammer from the hardware section and smashed the glass case. Easy smash, grab and run, out in no time flat. Freddies probably needs to re-think at least the case design at a minimum - I'd hate to see them stop selling because I like using them. On top of that, their ammo case is not locked - that surprises me.

I wonder if they will go no handgun like Bi Mart.

 

[etrain16]

It might be easier for them to get some higher end cases with shatter proof glass and stronger locks. I'd hate to see them stop selling handguns over this.

 

[soberups]

They should get rid of the huge obnoxious trigger locks on all the handguns and just run a steel cable through all the trigger guards like they do at the gun shows. It wouldn't do any good for a thief to just break the glass, he would need bolt cutters or a hack saw to cut thru the cable.

 

[etrain16]

They should get rid of the huge obnoxious trigger locks on all the handguns and just run a steel cable through all the trigger guards like they do at the gun shows. It wouldn't do any good for a thief to just break the glass, he would need bolt cutters or a hack saw to cut thru the cable.

Not a bad idea, except that 2 aisles over, next to the hammers, they also have hacksaws and bolt/cable cutters.

 

[The Heretic]

Not a bad idea, except that 2 aisles over, next to the hammers, they also have hacksaws and bolt/cable cutters.

It would still take the thief too long - it would be just enough to slow them down and the thief would go look for an easier target. I am surprised Fred Meyers didn't do this - it is standard practice in stores that don't sell just firearms, and even some gun shops. It prevents or at least discourages the smash and grab - which is probably what this theft was.

 

[Flopsweat]

Storage is a big issue. There are cameras out there that will easily give you HD resolution images (my company installs CCTV systems, among others). The problem usually isn't the camera cost, it's the storage. Megapixel cameras generate huge files even at slow frame rates like 15fps, which is slower than live action. Multiply that by 20 cameras per location and to have reasonable storage, you need terabytes of storage space, and that gets very spendy.

As for the OC Freddies, yes they have some good staff, but it's rare that you go back there and find anyone staffing the counter, plus it's tucked in the back of the store. Talking to an employee there yesterday, I was told that the Newberg incident wasn't a override of the locks - rather the guy took a hammer from the hardware section and smashed the glass case. Easy smash, grab and run, out in no time flat. Freddies probably needs to re-think at least the case design at a minimum - I'd hate to see them stop selling because I like using them. On top of that, their ammo case is not locked - that surprises me.

Storage has come way down in price. 5 TB is less than $200 now. I would think the real issue would be network bandwidth if you have a couple dozen cameras, but I'm not a networking guru. What's the skinny on that? I do know a typical home router can be swamped by about 6 wireless IP cameras.

I wish the Freddy's near us had a gun counter.

 

[jvbutter]

1) fredds in Corn Pass has been selling for about a year now...

2) this is why we need better back ground checks, it would have prevented this... LOL

 

[etrain16]

Storage has come way down in price. 5 TB is less than $200 now. I would think the real issue would be network bandwidth if you have a couple dozen cameras, but I'm not a networking guru. What's the skinny on that? I do know a typical home router can be swamped by about 6 wireless IP cameras.

I'm no network specialist either, but the company I work for does install commercial grade CCTV systems, so I can share a little of what I know.

I ran a 'sample' system through a storage calculator, here's an idea of what you'd need for a 12 camera system, at 1 megapixel (which will give you HD resolution for facial recognition) per camera, 20fps frame rate (full motion is 30fps), H.264 video compression. Planned storage was set to 60 days, though it's not uncommon for loss prevention to require more than 60 days. Here are some stats on that 12 camera setup:

* Bandwidth - 40.11 Mbps
* Storage (60 days) - 51.99 TB

Typically, storage of that type needs to be redundant in some way, so a RAID array will often be employed so if one storage device fails, you have a backup. I don't know any commercial customers that use wireless cameras, they're far too unreliable. There are also costs associated with the video server, IP licenses (usually charged per camera) and sometimes seat licenses to access the software. It can add up rapidly for a mid to large sized commercial customer. For a customer like Freddy's, it's also highly likely that they will require some kind of enterprise level solution that allows them to collect data from multiple sites (stores) at a central security location somewhere in the company - now you're spreading that 40 Mbps of data from multiple stores across a wide area network - it can add up quickly. You'd need to ask a network person for more details on that side of things.

 

[NWGlockgal]

I go into that Fred's all the time and frequently go by the gun counter to see what they have There is NEVER an employee there. If I want to see something, I have to find someone. Anybody could walk behind the counter and grab ammo and guns. I don't think they locked up the long guns either, but when I went by there yesterday I noticed they were locked in their racks. They had black material covering the gun cases and coolers stacked in front of it. I asked an employee if they were going to open it again. She said it was going to remain closed for a while and was not sure that they would reopen it.

 

[drewp]

When did Freddie start selling guns!!!

 

[etrain16]

I don't know about the other Freddy's, but the one in OC has had them for at least 2 years. Not all Freddy's carry them - especially the ones inside the People's Republic of Multnomah County.

 

[1990Turbo]

Hell you cant even buy a can of spray paint in Multco without giving them ur drivers lic and signing ur name in a book.

 

[jvbutter]

Hell you cant even buy a can of spray paint in Multco without giving them ur drivers lic and signing ur name in a book.

and that has stopped the graffiti? great policy...
And the huffers, well they moved onto other fumes to huf (inhale)

 

[1990Turbo]

Nope hasnt stopped any of that. Just makes me angry!