Gun Safes

[jbett98]

A dials shaft is somewhat delicate and is easily bent and that alone will make spinning harder.
Replacing a dial combination lock assembly is doable, but rather intimidating the first time you do one.

 

[NW Backpacker]

Everything you need to know about mechanical locks and safes can be found in this post.

Info on mechanical locks including what might cause rotation of dial to become difficult (scroll down to "Troubleshooting/Dialing Diagnostics". The entire document is excellent:

http://manuals.chudov.com/Sargeant-and-Greenleaf-Mechanical-Locks-Guide.pdf

EXCELLENT video on how to install a Group 2 S&G dial lock. Get 4 pages ready to take extensive notes:

Another video to watch before you try to change your own lock – not great quality video, but you will pick up a few tips:

Ratings for safe locks – do you want Group 2, 2M, or 1, etc? Per the "Big Red" website, their group 2M locks costs $9 more than the Group 2. Since Group 2Ms are waaaay harder for a thief to manipulate open, I don't understand why they even make Group 2s, but that's what most gun safes have.

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www.lockreference.com

Big Red (an Oregon Company) lock prices. Online reviews are good, some say better than S&G:

http://bigredsafelocks.com/assets/PRODUCT-PRICE-SHEET-SHORT-VERSION-091818.pdf

53 page thread with Q&A for an AMSEC Safe Guy:

Questions for AMSEC TheSafeGuy - Page 1 - AR15.COM

Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear.

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Sturdy Safes look to be among the best that the average person might actually be able to afford. With a $1500 budget for the OP, I'd look into these even if it means forking over a tad more dough:
EXCELLENT safe construction info and Sturdy Safe Info - 3 minutes:

Good review of a Sturdy safe – a tad slow, but some good info – think he said his cost $2500 or 2600:

New Big Red lock endurance test – does not apply to old Big Reds – think the new ones have been out 2 or 3 years – over 500,000 cycles at failure – see links, and go to the Day 35 link. Also see links for S&G endurance tests showing S&Gs failing at far fewer cycles. No, I do not work for Big Red or any safe/lock company. Click around the Big Red website for installation instructions, and other good info.

2018 CDL-3 Endurance Test - Big Red� Safe Locks - Mechanical Safe Locks

Good luck!

 

[jbett98]

The worst sound you can hear when changing out a dial lock is the relocker slamming home after the door is closed.
Don't ask me how I know this.

 

[Tony617]

This video was posted 5 years ago so the price wil be higher now probably.

 

[45 for me]

They [Sturdy] seem cool just very pricey as you have to order all the things like a fire liner and itll be like 4 or 5 grand. Which one did you get?

Their non upgraded version has the same steel as the high end Liberty, Fort Knox etc. Which won't keep out pros, but will keep out the gifted amateur with a fire ax or 6' pry bar.

My rule of thumb is spend around 10% of the value of your collection

 

[billdeserthills]

Big Red locks appear to be made to the same specs & the same materials that Sargent & Greenleaf was using years ago. S&G went to a composite wheel pack, Big Red uses the brass wheels like S&G used to have.

The other nice thing is BR locks have a cushy dial grip area, somewhat like a rubber Hogue grip, gives it a little something to grab onto

3-WHEEL LOCK, DIAL & RING, SPY GUARD, SATIN CHROME, 3.5" DOOR THICKNESS

MBA USA, Inc. is a provider of locks, tools and training for locksmiths and security professionals.

mbausa.com

I hated seeing S&G cheapen their product, it's always so sad to see that
Here's the S&G lock

S&G 3-Wheel Lock Package w/ Front Reading Dial & Ring, Black & White

MBA USA, Inc. is a provider of locks, tools and training for locksmiths and security professionals.

mbausa.com

Just bought Bounty paper towels for the last time, the new ones are maybe 1/2 as thick--I'm moving on to Brawny or Scott paper towels

 

[winch61]

I bought a AMSEC BF series off ebay a few years back fir $1200. Shipping across the country was only $400 freight. For 1600 I have 1/2 thick door and a empty safe that comes in over half a ton. When I closed the door on it I am very certain it will be there always. Buy th best you can and bigger than you think you need, fills uo fast. I have north or 40 guns in there and it FULL.

 

[billdeserthills]

I bought a AMSEC BF series off ebay a few years back fir $1200. Shipping across the country was only $400 freight. For 1600 I have 1/2 thick door and a empty safe that comes in over half a ton. When I closed the door on it I am very certain it will be there always. Buy th best you can and bigger than you think you need, fills uo fast. I have north or 40 guns in there and it FULL.

The older BF series had a 1/2" thick steel plate, the total door thickness is almost 5". It rates just below a TL-15 & has a 2 hour fire rating

 

[bentoncity]

Thank you. Just called them, they're nice over there. Said the safes are made by dakota but branded as spartan and they have a 39 and 50. Good pricing and they deliver to benton city. Probably going to go over there and try to get the bolt pattern to pre drill the holes as they dont install

Track me down when ya get here..I'll loan ya my roto-hammer/bits and you can drill your own holes thru the safe holes so there's no mistakes. I live in Benton City and happy to be one of those "Bentucky" boys sobo fretts over. Pick up the cinch anchors @ R&H if you buy a safe there. They should have some. Palm Tavern is still closed over the covid thing and so is the range out north of town. Really nice range though. We have a nice American Legion Post if you belong or are a vet.
Deputy Friendly, as sobo calls him, isn't as bad as he's made out to be. I been here 26 years & only 1 ticket for 35 in a 25 & I have a lead foot.
Us Bentucky boys stay out of that snooty-tooty Tri-bubblegumies for good reasons. Murders, drugs, crime, drivers like right out of Cali-forn-IA and ...you get the idea.
I need to replace the sticker on my tailgate for the passer through crowd.."Welcome to Benton City! Now go home!"

Dan

Aw what the heck sobo, I'll even buy you a beer when the bar & range open back up.

 

[sobo]

Well, then you owe me half a beer, cuz the range opened up two weeks ago yesterday...

And truth be told, I don't fret over you Bentucky boys at all. Know some fine people out thatta way.

 

[bentoncity]

Well, then you owe me half a beer, cuz the range opened up two weeks ago yesterday...

And truth be told, I don't fret over you Bentucky boys at all. Know some fine people out thatta way.

I'd of swore on a six-pack I called last week and no one there... Darn senility must be getting me. Good to hear cause I could use some 'me' time. Name yer poison and I'll get some for ya.

Dan

 

[flydipper]

Tractor Supply Chain stores carry Fat Boy Jr. model safes (watch for sales flyers). They are about 800 lbs. I paid 1K for mine several years ago. They can be configured a couple ways to accommodate your collection. I also have a colonial 50 it's about 1000 lbs. I also have a Mosler document safe 42" x 36" x 70" tall. Great pistol collection safe. Made in 1898 near as I can pinpoint from the serial number. Kinda interesting seems that in 1898 they were more concerned with storing documents than money or guns makes sense I guess with deeds and claims being the items with value then. It has a class A fire rating which is what gave me the clue that it was a document safe. Mosler has it's own unique story, quite the company! That sucker is probably close to 3k lbs. My forklift was bouncing the back tires all the way into place. It's on fixed one direction casters so good luck moving it now that it's built around in place. It could be done but not easily. It would amaze you if you have ever watched the safe movers move one how easy it is to move a 1k or heavier safe if it has a flat bottom and hard floor. Literally one guy with very little effort with the right equipment.

 

[sobo]

I'd of swore on a six-pack I called last week and no one there... Darn senility must be getting me. Good to hear cause I could use some 'me' time. Name yer poison and I'll get some for ya.

Dan

Depends upon what day and/or time you called. The range house is not staffed on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays.
On Wednesdays, Fridays, and the weekends, it's only staffed from 0900 to 1500 hrs. So those are the only days and times that someone will answer the phone for sure. During the non-public-use days or times, if there's someone in the range house, they have no obligation to answer. They might. They might not.

 

[bentoncity]

Unk what day/time I called cause I have a memory leak. Thinking about getting the tattoo on my forehead so I know whom I am in the mirror.
Was out (the range) today and found out I have another bad/broke scope on the old pistol. It's the 2nd one from Burris for the same issue. 26 clicks and the impact doesn't move. Nice tight group though..1" @ 50'
Cheap stuff/gear begets bad results.

Really nice day & weather with just a few shooters. I'll still buy the beer AFTER the shoot when the Palm opens up again..
And if Speleogist ever gets here, he's welcome as well. Least I can do for a fellow Bentuckyian and an immigrant..
..just kidding.

Dan

 

[AK0perator47]

Hello, I'm moving to Benton City next week and need a gun safe recommendation. I've got a small liberty safe but I've outgrown it. I've got about 20 or so guns including about 12 long guns so I need a decent sized safe.

My budget is about 1500, but i dont want a junky safe. I was thinking about getting another smaller, high quality safe as the larger 40 or so cubic inch safes in that price range have quality issues.

Anyone have a recommendation? In any case safe is going in garage and will be bolted to floor.

Thank you

Ok I have not been here in awhile but I suggest Sports Afield! Phenomenal fire rating and a bunch of other stuff! Weight etc is as in the screen shot I took! The SA7240p is what I have! I will add a couple of pictures as well!

 

[AK0perator47]

I had it delivered for $1750