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Gun Rights Advocates Target California Detective Following Facebook Posts

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Muddman, Feb 14, 2010.

  1. Muddman

    Muddman Aloha Member

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    Sunday , February 14, 2010

    By Joshua Rhett Miller

    ADVERTISEMENTGun rights advocates have a California police detective in their crosshairs after he apparently posted comments on Facebook advocating that "open carry" supporters should be shot.

    East Palo Alto Police Det. Rod Tuason apparently posted the remarks on his Facebook page in response to a friend's status update, which suggested that gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons openly — which is legal in California — should do so in places like "Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto" and not just in "hoity toity" cities.

    "Haha we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied. "He got proned out [laid face-down on the ground] and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"

    Several comments later, the detective suggested shooting the gun rights advocates, some of whom have carried firearms openly in recent weeks in California's Bay Area, particularly at Starbucks locations.

    "Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night!" Tuason wrote. "Should've pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement … 2 weeks off!!!" -- referring to the modified duty, commonly known as desk duty, that typically follows any instance in which an officer is investigated for firing his weapon.

    Those comments caught the attention of a California attorney and blogger, as well as a Virginia man who started a Facebook group calling for Tuason's termination.

    John Taylor, whose Facebook group had 54 members as of midday Friday, said the Facebook thread confirmed gun owners' worst fears.

    "Any sworn officer who suggests shooting law-abiding citizens for exercising their most basic constitutional rights deserves the full wrath of America's gun owners," Taylor told FoxNews.com. "It's an affront."

    California's Penal Code makes it illegal to carry concealed weapons without a county-issued license. But it is legal to carry an unloaded weapon in plain view in a holster. In most cases, it is illegal for an unconcealed weapon to be loaded.

    Taylor, of Arlington, Va., who has a concealed weapons permit in his home state, said he planned to write a letter to the East Palo Alto Police Department demanding that Tuason be fired.

    "The targeting, harassment and intimidation of law-abiding citizens who are peacefully agitating for their rights by a police officer is an abomination to the Constitution, and is in fact the exact reason our Founding Fathers created the Second Amendment," Taylor said. "Police officers who think they are going to get between law-abiding Americans and their Second Amendment rights are going to find themselves in the line of fire."

    Tuason's comments were first noticed by California attorney Kevin Thomason, who posted a screen grab of the detective's remarks on his Web site on Sunday.

    "[Tuason] didn't realize that actual PRO-GUN people also read Facebook," Thomason wrote. "Amazingly, he posted the following comment about law abiding gun owners on a friend's page. Basically, he's saying 'prone them out' (face down on the ground), and if anyone moves, kill them. I don't make this crap up."

    Thomason, a member of the National Rifle Association, wrote that Tuason's comments were "worth a call" to the East Palo Alto City Council, as well as to his superior officers.

    Tuason, who has since removed his Facebook profile, did not return messages seeking comment on Friday. He is reportedly being investigated by the police department's professional standards division regarding the Facebook remarks.

    East Palo Alto Police Sgt. Rod Norris said he was unable to comment on the matter, but Capt. Carl Estelle told the San Jose Mercury News that police officials must be careful not to violate Tuason's First Amendment rights, since the comments appeared on his personal Web site.

    "In no way are his personal comments reflective of any policies or procedures here at the department nor does he speak for the police department," Estelle told the newspaper.

  2. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    This sounds just like a guy who became a cop not because he wanted to 'serve and protect', but because he has small male parts and needed to compensate.

    I agree, he's in deep doo-doo.

  3. TonsOfOregonBrass

    TonsOfOregonBrass Sandy, OR Active Member

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    being that it is comi-fornia, i doubt anything will actually come of it besides a don't do it again. Comi-fornia hates your guns and your rights. only actors and politicians should have rights there.

    I hope he gets fired, and some of the laws start to get reversed.
  4. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Sounds about right.
  5. Bark

    Bark Oregon Member

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    I disagree with his point of view........but if he is off duty he has a right to it. If he followed through with his statement then he should be in deep do do.

    Would anyone here carry openly while unloaded? Seams like you would be asking for trouble, making yourself a target. Like having a alarm sign on your home but no alarm.
  6. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Off duty? If I'm not mistaken, an actively serving LEO is never off duty. IMO there is no way a person can turn his 'professionalism' switch on and off at will. If he carries this kind of attitude off work, then he is also a clear danger while at work. He sounds like the kind of guy who hopes he can someday kill someone. Dangerous indeed.

    OTOH, I agree that carrying openly is silly. Unless you are in open country (hiking, fishing, inspecting your cattle fences), or maybe at a gun rights rally, all you succeed in doing is attracting attention, making yourself a target and causing undue worry in others.

  7. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    Especially when you're doing it with an unloaded gun in a place like East Palo Alto!

    This guy's deserves everything coming to him, but like everyone else down there, some of those CA open carriers seem to have a few screws loose...
  8. BroncoFan

    BroncoFan Eastern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Gee, Maybe if we get Universal Healthcare passed we can all chip in and get him an implant for his "inferiority" complex...:eek:
  9. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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  10. 45_70Sharps

    45_70Sharps Raymond Member

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    I can think of two reasons for the open carry of an unloaded weapon down there. First to make the political statement. I would bet that is the reason for some of them to carry open down there.
    Second, picture this. You have an empty 1911 on your right hip and about four loaded clips on your left hip. You make sure that you are aware of your surroundings and are ready to do a two handed draw and slam a loaded one into the magazine well.
    I would think that you could be ready to defend yourself about a half an hour before the cops would show up to investigate your dead body.

    Regardless of why they do it, it is their right and in California any rights that you have had better be exercised before they are taken away.