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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by GUNARCHER, Mar 5, 2015.

  1. GUNARCHER

    GUNARCHER Well-Known Member

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    I read Burdick's rational for listing the gun S/N on the background check procedure.
    According to her it is to verify if the gun has been reported stolen. (if it IS reported)

    so my thought is: why do we not have access to this public info?Then we could check ourselves. Maybe there ought to be a bill introduced to require the law enforcement agencies make this available on a web sight.

    Be interesting to see if this "smokes out" the real reason which is registration.
     
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  2. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    Burdick wants universal b/g's, so you'll be running the serial for all sales.
     
  3. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    I think it might be kind of nice to be able to interface with a website anonymously to check a serial number. This can be done for cars, why not with firearms.

    Of course, this leads to a self-registration the moment they track ANYTHING having to do with the person who requested the information.
     
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  4. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    If you have a CHL or have ever purchased a new firearm in Oregon, you are essentially "registered", and they know that you have firearms.


    166.427 Register of transfers of used firearms. (1) Whenever a person engaged in the business, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921, of selling, leasing or otherwise transferring a firearm, whether the person is a retail dealer, pawnbroker or otherwise, buys or accepts in trade, a used firearm, the person shall enter in a register the time, date and place of purchase or trade, the name of the person selling or trading the firearm, the number of the identification documentation presented by the person and the make, model and manufacturer’s number of the firearm. The register shall be obtained from and furnished by the Department of State Police to the dealer on application at cost.

    (2) The duplicate sheet of the register shall, on the day of purchase or trade, be hand delivered or mailed to the local law enforcement authority.

    (3) Violation of this section by any person engaged in the business of selling, leasing or otherwise transferring a firearm is a Class C misdemeanor. [1989 c.839 §16; 1993 c.4 §3; 2001 c.539 §12]

    https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/bills_laws/lawsstatutes/2013ors166.html
     
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  5. GUNARCHER

    GUNARCHER Well-Known Member

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    I am talking about a data base on line that is by manufacture and type by S/N that you can check against the S/N you are going to purchase BY PRIVATE, no dealer, FFL sale. You go through the BG check, you certify that you have checked and have found that the firearm is not listed as stolen. ---- no S/N is submitted to the government, you are approved by the BG check and your legally binding statement that the gun has not been reported or listed stolen as of that date. You could take a screen shot of the S/N series for your records.
     
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  6. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    If you did it that way, it wouldn't be possible to "accidentally" keep the s/n's of the guns that the State Police run, then it wouldn't be possible for registration!
     
  7. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    As long as the site is SSL or HTTPS, and fully anonymous then it couldn't be used for registration. Unfortunately, you can track the MAC/IP of the machine/device used to access websites.

    It is possible, just has to be done very intentionally and with clear indicators.
     
  8. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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  9. GUNARCHER

    GUNARCHER Well-Known Member

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    Well, if we just have the BG check, they will assume we have a gun. but if confiscation IS enacted, they won't know WHICH gun you have.
     
  10. GUNARCHER

    GUNARCHER Well-Known Member

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    That website is a good counter argument against Burdick's agenda of getting a record of S/N's
     
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  11. solv3nt

    solv3nt Portland Well-Known Member

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    If confiscation is ever enacted, they know exactly which doors to knock on, and who not to believe when they're told that the guns were lost in a tragic boating accident.
     
  12. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    In WA, if you purchase a pistol, a copy of the local transfer form goes to your local PD. My neighbor reported one of his handguns stolen and while on the phone with our PD the lady at the other end pulled up the serial# after he told her the make and model. That's how organized they are ;-)
     
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  13. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    C'mon...

    If you've bought ammo with a credit or debit card then your on the list...

    If a military wants your weapons, they will get them.

    Let's just hope it doesn't ever get to that here...
     
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  14. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    from my cold ... ;-)
     
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  15. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    Burdick WANTS registration - she's been recorded saying it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OT93EuLs9Gs

    The check on the firearm should be separate from the check on the person. That info is accessible separately and in fact there is a number you can call to do so. The ONLY reason both elements are on the form is for registration purposes. The OSP was already caught keeping an unofficial registration once before - my confidence that they have stopped is near zero.
     
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  16. GUNARCHER

    GUNARCHER Well-Known Member

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    I understand what Burdick wants, the only way to derail it is to offer a more moderate "common sense" (God, I hate that term) alternative that some democrats in a district that has a conservative base may support.
     
  17. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    It's OK to use their tactics and buzz words against them... never forget that it's a war, and if we don't push back all we will do is lose ground
     
  18. 3MTA3

    3MTA3 DMZ between Liberty and Tyranny Behind Enemy Lines Bronze Supporter

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    That's still a losing strategy since it's based on losing ground. Over time you will be backed into the ocean with no more ground to give up.

    There is a saying that when you are attacked by a bunch of clowns to go for the juggler. In this case the juggler is Burdick and she is up for reelection in a couple of years. While we are fighting off her bad laws that disarm victims and ignore criminals, let's remember that we need to put her out to pasture at the next opportunity.
     
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  19. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    If it's simply proof that the item isn't stolen, then why not make it across the board? I'd agree to it as long as it applies equally to groceries, tires, television sets, underwear, shoes, and everything else. Sales of each item would require a call to the state police for verification. Let's see how that one flies!
     
  20. CWOUSCG

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    Common sense laws? Oh, you mean Jim Crow laws. ;)
     
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