Gun issue represents tough politics for Obama

[Trlsmn]

I'm so convinced this won't happen, I'll put my money where my mouth is. Who wants a piece of the action? Of course, all bets are off if Obama isn't re-elected.

I'm your huckleberry! I'll take a piece of that action.

Here are the terms as stated by Pogi.

Make no mistake about it, if Bammy gets elected again, they are going after guns in one fashion or another.

 

[pogi]

I'm your huckleberry! I'll take a piece of that action.

Here are the terms as stated by Pogi.

If we can agree on terms of the wager, I'm in as well. Bammy wants to be Hugo Chavez IMO.

 

[locobob]

If we can agree on terms of the wager, I'm in as well. Bammy wants to be Hugo Chavez IMO.

I don't get how you guys come up with that... Obama took millions in bribes (campaign contributions) from Wall St. and let them walk away from a wrecked economy without a single fraud charge. Chavez would have nationalized the financial system if faced with a similar meltdown. That's why I say he's a typical politician... a realist and on the take. Maybe he talks some idealism, all Pols do, but I just don't see where all this "he's a socialist" crap comes from?

 

[Grunwald]

Let's run down the weapon ban history during the last 4 presidents:
1) Bush Sr. - signed an executive order to ban importation of "assault" rifles
2) Clinton - signed a law that banned all sort of firearm stuff, including what Bush Sr. had already banned.
3) Bush Jr. Said he would renew the Clinton law but did not.
4) Obama - nothing yet.

Now when you look at Bush Sr. and then Clinton and then Obama which one do you think is most anti-gun?
Be honest with yourself.

 

[iusmc2002]

I agree with the sign on the bottom. The one on the top......not so freakin' much. What's the difference really? Just because they're seperate on gun rights, doesn't make them worth a bubblegum. Someone said they would vote for Ron Paul if they thought he had a chance of winning. Why not work to GIVE him a chance at winning? Whether my vote "matters" or not, I'm voting for Ron Paul. That way when some dipwad Republicrat gets elected, I can say "NOT MY FAULT"

Joking
Sort of.....

 

[Trlsmn]

I don't get how you guys come up with that... Obama took millions in bribes (campaign contributions) from Wall St. and let them walk away from a wrecked economy without a single fraud charge. Chavez would have nationalized the financial system if faced with a similar meltdown. That's why I say he's a typical politician... a realist and on the take. Maybe he talks some idealism, all Pols do, but I just don't see where all this "he's a socialist" crap comes from?

That's the reality of every socialist that had ever been in power. You are confusing the definition of socialism with the realty of the practice of socialist politicians.

 

[pogi]

I want to bet bullets in the wager because money isn't going to be good for anything but TP if Bammy wins.

 

[deadeye]

Let's run down the weapon ban history during the last 4 presidents:
1) Bush Sr. - signed an executive order to ban importation of "assault" rifles
2) Clinton - signed a law that banned all sort of firearm stuff, including what Bush Sr. had already banned.
3) Bush Jr. Said he would renew the Clinton law but did not.
4) Obama - nothing yet.

Now when you look at Bush Sr. and then Clinton and then Obama which one do you think is most anti-gun?
Be honest with yourself.

Now lets see which term those were signed and who was in control of congress at the time.

 

[locobob]

That's the reality of every socialist that had ever been in power. You are confusing the definition of socialism with the realty of the practice of socialist politicians.

Hmmm, well I kind of see the point you are trying to make but I'm still not seeing any tangible evidence that puts Obama in the socialist camp. I thinks its just a labeling smear campaign from the right. Seems like Conservatives are just hitting him from all sides and often those sides are conflicting. Take for example the whole Rev. Wright thing vs. the "hes a Muslim" attack. It just doesn't make any sense. If you hate him... hey that's fine, just pick a frickin rational reason and stick to it. To me the actual evidence is clear... he is in the pocket of Wall St. and we aren't going to see any "change we can believe in".

 

[locobob]

Now lets see which term those were signed and who was in control of congress at the time.

I think its more about the public mood. Pols want to be seen as taking popular action... if action is not popular it usually won't happen.

 

[Trlsmn]

Hmmm, well I kind of see the point you are trying to make but I'm still not seeing any tangible evidence that puts Obama in the socialist camp. I thinks its just a labeling smear campaign from the right. Seems like Conservatives are just hitting him from all sides and often those sides are conflicting. Take for example the whole Rev. Wright thing vs. the "hes a Muslim" attack. It just doesn't make any sense. If you hate him... hey that's fine, just pick a frickin rational reason and stick to it.

His voting record is clear on the fact that he is pro gun control, no further rationalization is necessary.

To me the actual evidence is clear... he is in the pocket of Wall St. and we aren't going to see any "change we can believe in".

Well it's great to know the left has taken the high ground on that sort of labeling thing.

 

[Sling Blade]

Well I hope I'm right too. All I'm trying to say here is that I don't think Obama is cackling behind the scenes over some grand plot to disarm America. I think gun control is probably not much more than a smudged little mark on his shopping list, its an item that won't end up in his basket unless he gets pestered into seeing some political gain to be had with it. A scenario that is currently unlikely in my opinion.

+1

There are many, many things that beg more attention than gun control. What possible good will come to him that would warrant taking on such a losing proposition?

 

[Riot]

I'd vote for him IF I THOUGHT HE HAD A CHANCE OF WINNING!! Otherwise it'd be a wasted vote, one that might be needed to keep Obwan out of his second term!

I thought that same way in 2008, now I wish I had voted for him. Can you imagine the hundreds of thousands of people that think this very same way? Remember, they don't count votes, they count ELECTORALS. Imagine if even a small majority of electoral districts went for Ron Paul. What about the next election? Then the next? People would be going "why are people suddenly voting for Ron Paul?" At least, that is the hope.

People voted for "change" when all they got was the same cup of coffee in a different mug. People are getting tired (i.e. Occupy movements and Tea Party supporters). Will there be another election after this one? Who knows. Will there be enough time for Ron Paul to fix anything even if he is elected? Who knows. But what I do know is that things need to change...and FAST. Nobody else will do it. Who cares if he doesn't have a chance, I'm still voting for him! I am sick and tired of having to comb through party members that are the least corrupt and support lobbyists more than their districts.

Here's a rant for you...you want to know what I don't get? A movie gets made about how Bush "stole the 2004 election" with Florida, but nobody says crap about how Obama won through dead voters and ACORN picking up ho-bos on the street to vote. Everyone blew a gasket about Sarah Palin using tax payer money for vacations but it took military members going AWOL, public disclosers to congress and every right-wing news outlet screaming to see Obama's birth certificate!

*edit*

Oh, and congress tries to force radio stations that air right-wing news talk to air left-wing news as well to be "fair and balanced" but Obama airs his own television channel on satelite-freekin TV 24/7 during the 2008 primaries and nobody says a freekin word about that crap either!

If mainstream media isn't a biased, corrupt and controlled, then I don't know what is!

[/rant]

Vote Ron Paul...

*re-editted to add...*

Oh and to stay on topic, Obama won't vote on it or veto HR 822 right out. It will be delayed, pushed back and asked to be clarified or finalized for review until after the 2012 elections. I garantee it.

 

[deen_ad]

Everyone blew a gasket about Sarah Palin using tax payer money for vacations but it took military members going AWOL, public disclosers to congress and every right-wing news outlet screaming to see Obama's birth certificate!

And we still don't have it!!

The one originally published on the White House website is a fake produced by a Photoshop type program. If you download it as I have you will find that it's in layers. The text is separate from the background. This isn't the way a copy machine works, it makes a flat copy with no layers. This has been discussed many time on other forums but no one can get SCOTUS to take it on. According to the courts an individual has no "standing" to sue to find out. How can a person be President and not prove he's US born and you and I can't question it?

 

[Trlsmn]

And we still don't have it!!

The one originally published on the White House website is a fake produced by a Photoshop type program. If you download it as I have you will find that it's in layers. The text is separate from the background. This isn't the way a copy machine works, it makes a flat copy with no layers. This has been discussed many time on other forums but no one can get SCOTUS to take it on. According to the courts an individual has no "standing" to sue to find out. How can a person be President and not prove he's US born and you and I can't question it?

Let's not go there, sure it's a source of discussion but since it is not in the realm of 2nd amendment politics it should be discussed elsewhere.

 

[BrentN]

+1

There are many, many things that beg more attention than gun control. What possible good will come to him that would warrant taking on such a losing proposition?

Such as.........campaigning under the guise of "jobs tour". Although that bus was sweet, eh? It's all in the presentation. He won't pound his fist on the podium and read from the teleprompter that guns are evil and need to be confiscated.

 

[dmancornell]

Let's run down the weapon ban history during the last 4 presidents:
1) Bush Sr. - signed an executive order to ban importation of "assault" rifles
2) Clinton - signed a law that banned all sort of firearm stuff, including what Bush Sr. had already banned.
3) Bush Jr. Said he would renew the Clinton law but did not.
4) Obama - nothing yet.

Now when you look at Bush Sr. and then Clinton and then Obama which one do you think is most anti-gun?
Be honest with yourself.

It doesn't matter if Obama hasn't done anything overtly as of yet. Of course any sane person can see that Gunrunner is nothing more than a concerted PR attack on 2A, but ignoring that, one can also plainly see that Obama is a member of the ruling class, (read this essay if you have not heard the term: <broken link removed> ), just like the four crooks preceding him. And one of the leading tenets of the ruling class is the belief that the state is supreme and 2A as a means to resist tyranny is illegitimate.

With that as a foundation, whether Obama allows the status quo to go on (due to a lack of political capital) or makes a direct assault on 2A in the future doesn't change the fact that he is anti-private-gun, because that is a cornerstone of the statist faith.

 

[Kevatc]

And we still don't have it!!

The one originally published on the White House website is a fake produced by a Photoshop type program. If you download it as I have you will find that it's in layers. The text is separate from the background. This isn't the way a copy machine works, it makes a flat copy with no layers. This has been discussed many time on other forums but no one can get SCOTUS to take it on. According to the courts an individual has no "standing" to sue to find out. How can a person be President and not prove he's US born and you and I can't question it?

 

[Kevatc]

With that as a foundation, whether Obama allows the status quo to go on (due to a lack of political capital) or makes a direct assault on 2A in the future doesn't change the fact that he is anti-private-gun, because that is a cornerstone of the statist faith.

Statist, elitist, socialist, geologist ... doesn't matter what he is so long as he leaves the 2A alone. He will. Too many other things on his plate and he isn't going to waste political capital on what is sure to be a major league losing proposition for him.

 

[dmancornell]

Statist, elitist, socialist, geologist ... doesn't matter what he is so long as he leaves the 2A alone. He will. Too many other things on his plate and he isn't going to waste political capital on what is sure to be a major league losing proposition for him.

I'm not as much concerned with Obama's despicable personal stance as the fact that the entire ruling bureaucracy think the same way he does, and they have the means to independently attack 2A with or without a go-ahead from the thief-in-chief.

As far as I can tell Gunrunner was entirely directed by Holder and Obama simply gave him carte blanche to pursue an agenda which the two mutually agree simply as fellow travelers. As you said Obama himself is too busy with other matters, i.e. trying to assume absolute economic dictatorship over the entire nation.