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Gun Haters

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by tankballs, Feb 21, 2012.

  1. tankballs

    tankballs Oregon New Member

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    So...here's the deal. My mother-in-law is terrified of guns. After a couple of drinks a couple of weeks back, I get into it with her. I just couldn't hold back. She says she understands the second amendment, but people shouldn't be trusted with guns. WTF?! I had an epiphany...the people that hate guns the most have no clue why we carry. For example, she says, "well yes ARs should be illegal in California because otherwise criminals would get them easily..." She has nothing to say about the fact that the only people with ARs in CA are gangbangers and law enforcement. It was a conversation that blew my mind. How the hell are we supposed to approach these people? Educate these people? Granted, idiots make us look bad, but why the hell do the rest of us law abiding citizens suffer? I have no felonies and I follow the letter of the law for fear of the consequences if I don't. But, criminals don't. Why can't I have a 10.5in barrel on my AR to protect my house? Why can't I use an AOW on a criminal that kicks in my front door without the possibility of jailtime? Why are the law abiding citizens always the losers?
     
  2. DieselScout

    DieselScout S Clackamas County Well-Known Member

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    There are degrees of ignorance. Like i know many people in California with AR and they are neither gang related or LEO. Sometimes it isn't worth and tour not going to convince them, so pick you battles.:D
     
  3. Keys1971

    Keys1971 Oregon City Active Member

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    Sometimes you have to put it into terms they understand or can relate to. For example, I have a friend of a friend that is ravenously against any type of weapons ownership but is a hardcore blogger. I merely turned it into a first amendment issue. I asked her how she would like it if the government said she had to have a permit to own a computer, and you needed government permission to post online. Or you could only own so many types of mobile devices (Ipad, Iphone, Droid, etc.) She thought that was ludacris, but my point was made. Did I changer her mind? No. But at least I got her thinking.
     
  4. x1hunter89

    x1hunter89 gresham oregon Active Member

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    Well the rise in crime lately will start changing peoples minds. i honestly believe for most people to change their ways it takes something dramatic like bein robbed or something like that. people carry mace, and what not but their is a range on those. plus ive seen people who have been stabbed maced tazed and what not and still able to fight. eventually people will realize that its the best way to protect your family. i personally feel its bs that we cant shoot someone in the back if they are in are home. if they break in then they see you with a firearm, and run they know if they come back to bring a weapon. i think it would be better to have the uperhand on the situation and shoot them so they dont have the second chance to come back with a weapon. anyhow now im just rambling
     
  5. biker bo

    biker bo Myrtle Creek Active Member

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    Post a sign in your mother-in-laws front yard

    I do not belive in owning firearms. If you break into my house I have ask gun owning neighbors NOT to interfere.
     
  6. xm193

    xm193 seatac Active Member

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    your mother in laws fear of guns is just that fear, like any irrational fear it has little to do with logic.
     
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  7. DinhRose

    DinhRose Austin, Texas (Ex-Pat of SE PDX) Active Member

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    She might be a hater but that's the beauty of the 2nd Amendment. Your right to legally own and possess a firearm also grants her the right to not be a fan of them. I have this "conversation" with my liberal minded friends all the time and the truth is you'll never be able to convince them otherwise. I don't bother trying to explain the difference between myself and a pistol packing drug addled criminals when it comes to gun control anymore.
     
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  8. A.I.P.

    A.I.P. UpperUS Active Member

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    "After a couple of drinks a couple of weeks back, I get into it with her."
    Posted at 2AM
     
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  9. knuckle Head

    knuckle Head southeast Well-Known Member

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    Throw this at her, not literally but in a manner of speaking http://utahshootingsports.com/lottrebuttal.pdf

    ""Analyzing county level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual
    reductions in murder rates between 1.5 and 2.3 percent for each additional year that a right-tocarry
    law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from
    reduced crimes usually ranges between about $2 billion and $3 billion per year.""

    As said above in a similar statement, tell when someone trys to do her harm to not call 911, because those people in blue uniforms carry those disgusting guns and support for one is support for all.

    I got into a similar discussion with a person at work I use the above analogy, she still does not agree with me, but what can I say when shtf she will be sitting in her apartment all alone thinking about our conversation and wishing she would have used logic in her thought process.

    I know it is your mother in-law so I willput it nicely, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink
     
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  10. Toxic6

    Toxic6 Higher then a PDX hipster (~10,000 ft higher) Active Member

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    Watch their little worlds crumble when you explain that there is no such thing as firearms "registration" either LMAO.
     
  11. osterr1999

    osterr1999 Silverton, OR Active Member

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    I have had this conversation many times as well and I always end it with telling them, "You can believe what you want to, but when some scumbag kicks in my door, I want to have something more to defend myself with than a phone to call the police."
     
  12. slimer13

    slimer13 Deer Park Well-Known Member

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    Old but still relevant as ever:

    On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs
     
  13. redmud

    redmud Colombia river Active Member

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    I have said if you make firearms illegal to own then only criminals will own them.Criminals will do the same crimes we just won't have a way to defend ourselves from their guns, and good people with firearms will be outlaws for keeping them.

    Once all the legally owned guns are gone then the saturday night special from (insert foreign country) will be a high value criminal enterprise just like illegal drugs.

    Look at automatic firearms we can't buy them legally but some how criminals still have and use them in crime.
     
  14. billt

    billt Glendale, Arizona Active Member

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    Look at the worst anti gun cities and states. New York, Chicago, Detroit, California, (anywhere). They didn't get the way they are because of intelligent people in their government.
     
  15. MP Sgt

    MP Sgt Eugene, OR Member

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    Brilliant!
     
  16. Asp

    Asp Oregon, the promise land. Active Member

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    I agree with you. In fact, I think if someone breaks into her house she shouldn't be allowed to have the police come (at least with firearms) for the purpose of saving her. The police should defer that responsibility to the fire dept. Aren't women told to yell "Fire" in case of rape anyhow?

    Seems to work well with watering flower hippies and other variants.
    Man drops pants in protest as police water-cannon Belgium crowds - YouTube
     
  17. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    Like this in neighbors yard
     
  18. Aero Denezol

    Aero Denezol Salem Active Member

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    Just remind her there are over 300 million firearms in private hands, and that's just what the FBI knows about..

    So.. the question is, how come there isn't anarchy in the streets? Despite all these 'dangerous' guns.. life in America is safe, orderly, and enjoyable. Not so much in the Third World!
     
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  19. tankballs

    tankballs Oregon New Member

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    Beautiful sign.
     
  20. knuckle Head

    knuckle Head southeast Well-Known Member

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    hope you don't mind I copied the picture and I am going to email it to a few people they will love it.

    I fell like having some made up and selling the craigslist, bet i would make a fortune