Gun control "Logic" strikes again.

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  1. IronMonster

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    Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,

    I’m not going to make a trite comparison to Nazi Germany.

    That seems to be the libertarian thing to do whenever politicians bring up gun control.

    Yes, it’s true that throughout history, as long as there has been government, politicians have first sought to disarm their populations before descending into totalitarianism.

    But I don’t think that’s what’s happening here.

    In the wake of yet another horrible, senseless, shooting, there are once again growing calls to “do something” about all the “gun violence” in America.

    This response is pretty natural. It’s cause and effect: when something creates pain, we want to stop the pain.

    The logical syllogism is that if criminals are killing people with guns, then ‘we’ need to control guns.

    Mr. Obama himself has been thoroughly vocal on the subject, plainly stating that “innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun”.


    Now he wants to do something about it.

    And to be fair, I really doubt there’s any sinister intent; the President is just doing what he feels is necessary to protect people.

    That’s the thing Presidents always say, after all. It’s always some line about how ‘protecting the American people is their #1 responsibility.’

    Actually it’s not.

    In fact, the word “protect” appears just one time in Article II of the Constitution (the part that deals with the President’s responsibilities).

    And it has nothing to do with protecting the American people.

    The word is used in reference to the oath of office that every President has taken since George Washington– to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    Funny thing about the Constitution is that it includes the “right of the people to keep and bear Arms.”

    So ultimately the President’s responsibility is to the Constitution, not to succumb to a knee-jerk reaction that doesn’t actually even make sense.

    Yes people are angry. And perhaps even scared. But the logic doesn’t add up.

    Number one, some people are just crazy. Completely batbubblegum crazy.

    This kid who shot up a church because he hated black people was crazy.

    And there’s no amount of legislation that’s can protect people from crazy. If someone is really so psycho that they want to inflict harm, they’ll find a way.

    I saw the most horrendous video the other day. And I’m sorry I watched it, as it showed a beautiful 17-year-old girl getting stoned to death by hundreds of men in her tribe.

    Those guys are crazy. And they murdered this girl. No guns. Just rocks.

    So if we’re going to have gun control, we might as well have some stone control to go along with it.

    More importantly, whenever politicians talk about gun control, they express the most bizarre logic.

    They think guns in the hands of civilians are a danger to society, whereas guns in the hands of the government are protecting society.

    And whenever there’s some heinous incident of police brutality, they always tell us that it’s an isolated event that does not reflect on the police community in general.

    Then they make the problem worse with massive federal funding that turns police forces into paramilitary organizations, complete with urban assault vehicles.

    But the same logic should be applied for the millions of people who responsibly own firearms. One crazed lunatic certainly does not reflect on everyone.

    Yet when an incident like this does occur, the government response is to more heavily control public access to firearms.

    Look, it’s unfortunate to have to live in a world where there’s crazy people who want to do bad things.

    But it would be even more unfortunate to live in a world where we are regulated against being able to defend ourselves against those people… and the institution with the monopoly over ‘protecting’ us has a long-term track record of violence, intimidation, and abuse.

    Listen in to hear more on today’s Podcast...

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  2. Stomper

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    First, the thread title is an oxymoron (gun control logic) cannot be properly used in the same sentence. ;)

    I disagree with one aspect. There is indeed a sinister plot to disarm the general populace, they could lower the crime rates by properly punishing criminals for their crimes. :rolleyes:

    Those a-holes in government DREAM of the day they can do what they want, to who they want, when they want.. just like the KGB, GRU, STAZZI, and Gestapo did. :mad:
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  3. IronMonster

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    You will notice in the title logic is in quotation marks.
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  4. Caveman Jim

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    The British never left our country, they infiltrated the rank and file elite and just waited for a time to do their biding....
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  5. Stomper

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    Sorry dude, there are SOME things you just can't punctuate yourself out of! o_O:D
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  6. tiggers97

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    *sigh* - I noticed on the MomsDemand-OR facebook page that they were putting out a call for people to call their representatives and say "I'm calling to voice my support for the King-Thompson background checks bill. It's time to rise up for Charleston and build a country free from gun violence.""

    So I posted that I was confused, as it's been discovered that the Charleston killer bought his gun at a store, after passing a background check.... And the comment was deleted and now I'm banned.

    This is what passes for "common-sense, reasonable" discussion from the gun-control logic view. So much for the big discussion they are always claiming to want to have.
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  7. Deebow

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    They don't want to hear anything that derails the message. Pointing out that their keystone demand upon which they base all of their "reasonableness," which was implemented and FAILED is not the kind of common sense thinking that they allow. Only emotionally driven, chant-worthy protest sign like thoughts are allowed; because thinking leads to questioning, and they can't have any of that.

    It makes me lose a little hope for the future of the world knowing those ignorant and retarded minivan drivers are raising children.
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  8. 308

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    These people are like the punk/bully who continually pushes the one who, when his patience comes to an end, knocks them the bubblegum out and walks away.
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  9. rick benjamin

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    "to be fair"
    "There is indeed a sinister plot"
    "common-sense, reasonable"
    "in a world where there’s crazy people"
    "ignorant and retarded minivan drivers"
    "was confused, was deleted, now banned"
    "like the punk/bully"
    "because thinking leads to questioning"

    writing the great American novel, waddayathink?
  10. RoneKiln

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    Unfortunately, large groups of well meaning yet ignorant (even stupid) people are far more capable of pulling off seeming Macheavellian conspiracies than any number of brilliant masterminds working in concert.
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    What if the maniac had used Molotov cocktails? This guy would have killed even without a firearm...
  12. RW-Ore

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    Had he used anything other than a "GUN" it would have been over in a day or two.
    It was not his finger on the trigger that made the "GUN" go off, nope, it was the "GUN"
    That "GUN" hijacked the poor kid off the street and made him take said "GUN" into that church so the "GUN" could do it's work.

    Pretty simple if you stop to think about it. ;)

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