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Gun Control coming to Oregon as ballot measure in 2015

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by MrNatural, Jan 3, 2015.

  1. MrNatural

    MrNatural Oregon Well-Known Member

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    From _The New York Times_ January 3, 2015

    Groups Take Gun Control to the States
    WASHINGTON — The gun control movement, blocked in Congress and facing mounting losses in federal elections, is tweaking its name, refining its goals and using the same-sex marriage movement as a model to take the fight to voters on the state level.

    After a victory in November on a Washington State ballot measure that will require broader background checks on gun buyers, groups that promote gun regulations have turned away from Washington and the political races that have been largely futile. Instead, they are turning their attention — and their growing wallets — to other states that allow ballot measures.

    An initiative seeking stricter background checks for certain buyers has qualified for the 2016 ballot in Nevada, where such a law was passed last year by the Legislature and then vetoed by the governor. Advocates of gun safety — the term many now use instead of “gun control” — are seeking lines on ballots in Arizona, Maine and Oregon as well.
    “I can’t recall ballot initiatives focused on gun policy,” said Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. “There wasn’t the money.” Colorado and Oregon approved ballot measures on background checks at gun shows after the Columbine school massacre in 1999, but the movement stalled after that.

    The National Rifle Association, which raises millions of dollars a year largely from small donors and has one of the most muscular state lobbying apparatuses in the country, is well attuned to its foes’ shift in focus. “We will be wherever they are to challenge them,” said Andrew Arulanandam, the group’s spokesman.

    The new focus on ballot initiatives comes after setbacks in Congress and in statehouses. After the 2012 mass shooting of schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., President Obama’s effort to pass a background-check measure never got out of the Senate. Although 10 states have passed major gun control legislation, including Connecticut, New York and Colorado, more states have loosened gun restrictions.

    Candidates who backed gun control mostly lost in the midterm elections, even after groups spent millions on their behalf. The last setback came in December when Martha McSally, a Republican, prevailed in a recount over Rep. Ron Barber, D-Ariz. Barber was wounded in the 2011 shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and lost even though Giffords’s PAC, Americans for Responsible Solutions, spent more than $2 million in the race.

    Gun control groups say that although they are still dwarfed by the N.R.A., they have more money and are involved in more grass-roots activism than ever before. The N.R.A. was even heavily outspent in the Washington State referendum.

    “Things that people feel are most doable politically right now are connected to domestic violence,” Webster said. “There is a lot of uptick on that issue even in red states and states with a lot of guns.” In the past two years, 11 states have passed such legislation. JENNIFER STEINHAUER

    The Obama administration doubled down on Friday on its allegation that North Korea’s leadership was behind the hacking of Sony Pictures, announcing new, if largely symbolic, economic sanctions against 10 senior North Korean officials and the intelligence agency it said was the source of “many of North Korea’s major cyber operations.”
    The actions were based on an executive order President Obama signed as part of what he had promised would be a “proportional response” against the country. But in briefings for reporters, officials said they could not establish that any of the 10 officials had been directly involved in the destruction of much of the studio’s computing infrastructure.
    Most seemed linked to the North’s missile and weapons sales. Two are senior North Korean representatives in Iran, a major buyer of North Korean military technology, and five others are representatives in Syria, Russia, China and Namibia.

    The sanctions were part of the public element of the response to the Sony incident, but the administration has said there would be a covert element as well. Officials sidestepped questions about whether the United States was involved in bringing down North Korea’s Internet connectivity to the outside world over the past two weeks.

    Several cyber security firms have argued that when Obama took the unusual step of naming the North’s leadership — on Dec. 19 he declared that “North Korea engaged in this attack” — he had been misled by intelligence agencies who were too eager to blame a longtime adversary and let themselves be duped by hackers skilled at hiding their tracks.
    But Obama’s critics do not have a consistent explanation of who might have been culpable. The F.B.I. and Obama’s aides argue that the critics have no access to the classified evidence that led to the conclusion. “We remain very confident in the attribution,” said a senior administration official. DAVID E. SANGER and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
     
  2. billcoe

    billcoe PDX Platinum Supporter Platinum Supporter

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    Both Lew Fredricks and Tina Kotek, gun haters both, ran unopposed. The 15-15 split we had last legislature has changed to 14-16 against us. It's coming to Oregon on the state level, and soon is my guess.


    Unopposed.
     
  3. fuhr52

    fuhr52 Lane County. Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yep our governor has already bragged now that his party controls the state houses he plans to move ahead with gun grabbing policies. Gun grabbing special interest will be after democrat controlled states to support them. The party of control people and force them to accept their policies is alive and well.
     
  4. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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    As usual, the NRA is portrayed as the big spender, and the "drive-by media" parrot gleefully the gun grabbers with statements like "Gun control groups say that although they are still dwarfed by the N.R.A....". However, the NRA is a pauper compared to Bloombooger and his fellow billionaire idiot control freaks.
     
  5. BlindedByScience

    BlindedByScience Vancouver WA Well-Known Member

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    Bloomberg proved you can buy enough misinformation and noise to pull one over on the voting public in WA state. Hope OR (and NV, etc) fare better than we did.
     
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  6. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    gun control groups have more money but less members. in the long run the votes matter more. the NRA would be totally steamrolled if it wasn't for the fact its membership is true and organic, versus bloomberg's purchased artificial membership.

    fake groups like bloomberg burn cash at astonishing rates. without true membership and real support, they can't keep it up forever.
     
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  7. Doc In UPlace

    Doc In UPlace Tacoma-ish Well-Known Member

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    Actually, they can. Bloomberg has 35 Billion dollars. That's 35 and nine zeroes.

    Assuming he has horrible money managers who only earn him 1.5% yearly dividends, that works out to capital gains of 1.4 MILLION dollars per day. Most mutual funds earn more than 8% but let's be really scrimpy here.

    So Bloomy can spend 1.4 million per day on his gun bubble-gum shenanigans and not touch a single cent of his principal, if he should so choose.
     
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  8. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Get recall petitions stacked and ready to go.
     
  9. Norm0931

    Norm0931 Hillsboro, OR Sgt. Sheep Silver Vendor 2016 Volunteer

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    Yeah it's something "we urgently must address." Cause ya know, we have such huge gun problems here in Oregon...
     
  10. Hawaiian

    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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    They don't need a ballot measure, the legislature is going to push universal background checks through.
    Ginny Burdick will submit many other gun control bills as well, the question is how far will the dem controlled legislature let her go with them.
     
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  11. locobob

    locobob Beaverton, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Gun control is not a pure partisan issue. For example Democratic Senator Betsy Johnson and Representatives Jeff Barker and Brad Witt are on our side. Barker is chair of the House Judiciary Committee where gun control bills are likely to be scrutinized.
    I am pretty concerned about the initiative process, if they get it on the ballot and fill the air with a bunch of propaganda I think a Washington style gun control measure has a good chance of passing. Be ready for a fight, it's coming.
     
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  12. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Wow. Oregon doesn't have any pro gun Democrats?
    Blimey!!!:eek:
     
  13. coyote223

    coyote223 NW Oregon Stamp Collector,,,

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    Yes there are, but. DemokkkRats are always the ones advancing gun control, so,,,
     
  14. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    My representatives (and I did not vote for them either) are all Democrats, but 2 out of three are pro gun and will vote accordingly. Just sayin not all are "DemokkkRats"... There has to be some "D's" down there that have a conscious.
     
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  15. fuhr52

    fuhr52 Lane County. Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yea it is a partisan issue. It's democrats and democrat billionaire funding that fuels this issue. Doesn't mean there may be some individual democrat politicians on the pro gun side but as a political party they are all in. Take a look at the states with the strictest gun laws. Which political party controls them?
     
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    Don't fall for this, fight it hard with everything you can muster . Do not let there bastards win in Oregon
     
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  17. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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    The voters who really matter are the very large fraction who are not members of either gun grabbing or gun rights groups. These voters must be persuaded to consider carefully the following questions (not an exhaustive list):

    * Do Oregonians really want their laws to be bought by out-of-state billionaires?
    * Do Oregonians really believe that laws promoted by organizations, such as MDA, that entice law enforcement personnel to kill innocent citizens are in the best interest of the State? (Ohio Walmart)
    * Do Oregonians need laws that make historically benign acts, such as loaning a firearm to a friend, a criminal act when performed without prior approval from the State?
    * If firearms are to be subjected to such invasive oversight, why are other potentially deadly weapons not? (garden forks, axes, nail guns, etc.) (examples are legion.)

    There are other questions. Use your imagination.

    Start now with a letter-to-the-editor campaign.
    Organize into groups that each focus on one or two newspapers.
    Keep each letter short and limited to one topic.
    Don't send carbon copy letters, make each as unique as feasible.
    Use the examples presented by skjos in http://www.northwestfirearms.com/th...s-that-are-likely-illegal-under-i-594.175562/

    I'm in Idaho, all I can do is make suggestions and donations.
     
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  18. Hawaiian

    Hawaiian Tigard Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Or, Do Oregonians really want to follow the California political platform and become 'Northern California" ???

    Or, Do Oregonians support the .00001% like Bloomberg and Bill Gates who support disarming the public. They have paid armed body guards to protect them. They don't believe the right of self protection extends to us common folks.
     
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  19. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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    [snide] As a displaced Eastern Oregon native, I concluded decades ago that all of Oregon west from the Cascades had become Californication del Norte. [/snide] Flames welcome.
     
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  20. gunfreak

    gunfreak Boise Well-Known Member

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    My thought of moving to Montana or Wyoming just got closer.
     
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