I'm posting this with the permission of NWF moderator Joe Link. I'm a member of www.calguns.net, a California based firearms website much like NWF, it has over 200,000 members. About once a year a group buy of Sturdy Gun Safes gets organized, usually there are 20 - 30 members get in on it. Each order is placed by the individual buyer who sends the money directly to Sturdy so there is no middleman to potentially rip you off. You don't have to be a calguns member to get in on it, just let Sturdy know you want to be part of it. However to make it flow more smoothly it would be a good idea to be part of this thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1130306 To view it you'll have to join calguns, like NWF, it's free and your email will never get sold or distributed to anyone else. You can order any Sturdy Safe you want and you'll save about 15% off the retail price.