Govt. wants cell carriers to save user location data

[PlayboyPenguin]

Lets get back to the original discussion and leave the debates of healthcare and insurance to another site.

I would be more concerned that this may set a precident for future tracking devices on other goods such as firearms. I understand that the info they are wanting saved is due to programs (apps) used in the phones and not actual devices in the phone but it would set a negative precident. What if I dont use those apps in my phone and others who do think it is unfair and the powers that be decide all phones need a tracking device of some sort, we all know it would happen. I for one think that the only people that should be tracked are the convicted/released violent criminals due to possible repeat offenses and all government representitives.

OK now you can throw the tomatoes....:shy:

It is conceivable that they could require all guns to be made with a chip in them. Then they could set up systems around schools, government buildings, etc that set off an alarm when you bring one too close. Then they could arrest you preemptively for crimes you might have committed.

 

[drew]

It is conceivable that they could require all guns to be made with a chip in them. Then they could set up systems around schools, government buildings, etc that set off an alarm when you bring one too close. Then they could arrest you preemptively for crimes you might have committed.

This has a nice dystopian feel to it and sounds like a CA requirement. This sounds like something they would do.

 

[MA Duce]

So M2, how many countries that are a part of our "multinational" economy can you name that aren't socialist, or have a strong socialist bent?
And how much influence do those countries have on companies based there?

Don't you think they might want to "level the playing field" by having American companies play by their rules?

You seem to be under the impression that there are such things as "American" companies. My point was that it is the multi-national corporations which control the world's economies, not individual national economic policy. The labels "socialist" "democratic" etc are as obsolete as the buggy whip when discussing world control. Politics is just kabuki theater put on for the people as a distraction. National identity is a hoax, and Nationalism has been dead since the end of WWII.

 

[MrNiceGuy]

This whole mindset of treating every citizen like a potential criminal even though they have committed no crime is disgusting to me. What's next? Do we start making every citizen check in with a law enforcement official weekly to account for their activities just in case they commit a crime in the future? Do we start recording people's phone conversations just in case they do something wrong some day?

It was all ruled constitutional when they reaffirmed random sobriety checkpoints.

The Supreme Court ruled in Michigan Department of State Police vs. Sitz that it was constitutional. The majority acknowledge that it violates the 4th amendment, but said that the state interest in reducing drunk driving outweighed the infringement. The dissenting justices pointed out that there is no "state interest" clause or anything else in the Constitution to provide an exception.

Basically, to heII with the law, personal freedoms, and privacy... They are big brother, and they know what is best for you.



Ironically, the Senate has asked apple and google to remove any and all apps that identify sobriety checkpoint locations.
Apparently, the government wants apple and google to keep tabs on you while actively hiding the location of government checkpoints.
Hypocrites, gotta love 'em.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/12/dui-checkpoint-apps_n_861368.html

 

[VW_Factor]

I agree completely that this is an unwarranted intrusion. But there is a simple solution. Don't buy into the technology. I have a simple plain jane phone that does not have any internet capability. They can of course locate by tower pings, but only if they are looking for it at the time, and no movement information is stored. Google and Apple are NOT your friends.

Internet capability does not rule out GPS tracking capability of said phone.

 

[Browning55]

When we hear or read about the Echelon system it makes one think they already know cell locations -- and a whole lot more.