Other State Gov. Abbott Again Touts “Second Amendment Sanctuary State” Legislation as Biden Unveils Action on Guns

[CountryGent]

Looks like the Lone Star state may be the next to have a state-wide sanctuary statute: Gov. Abbott Again Touts "Second Amendment Sanctuary State" Legislation as Biden Unveils Action on Guns

"This is what I'm seeking for Texas—a law to defy any new federal gun control laws. It will make Texas a Second Amendment Sanctuary State. Legislation is moving in the Texas House and Senate. I look forward to signing it," Abbott wrote.

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[The Heretic]

This is a ruse.

Legislators and other pols know that no region is a sanctuary from federal law - it just means that the state will stand by doing nothing while the feds come in and take your guns.

 

[2Wheels4Ever]

This is a ruse.

Legislators and other pols know that no region is a sanctuary from federal law - it just means that the state will stand by doing nothing while the feds come in and take your guns.

Generally the feds aren't patrolling around though. In theory, if you're caught with an assault rifle or 30rd mag, the local authorities won't fine, detain, or report you.

 

[The Heretic]

Generally the feds aren't patrolling around though. In theory, of you're caught with an assault rifle or 30rd mag, the local authorities won't fine, detain, or report you.

Possibly.

But don't be fooled by politicians declarations of empathy with our cause, and keep in mind that they are in office temporarily. Come next election, the pendulum can (and often does) swing in the opposite direction.

 

[CamoDeafie]

As long as gun owners as a group, is kept divided and unable to be unified, as long as gun owners keeo turning on each other over silly things, the Feds absolutely can do what they want
As long as gun owners refuse to get together, unified, en mass, into a solid community, and as long as there's bitter infighting in the firearms community.. the Feds can easily make examples of few owners and bam the rest fall into line because they're law abiding citizens
Repeating this from another thread.

 

[bkroger86]

An "FFL" is a Federal Firearms License.

As in, if the Feds make the rules, your local gun store follows them.

 

[billdeserthills]

This is a ruse.

Legislators and other pols know that no region is a sanctuary from federal law - it just means that the state will stand by doing nothing while the feds come in and take your guns.

That isn't true, 2nd Amendment Sanctuary laws are modeled on the same laws that created Sanctuary Cities & I haven't seen one Fed try to bust an illegal in even one Sanctuary City

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Second Amendment sanctuary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Xaevian]

As long as gun owners as a group, is kept divided and unable to be unified, as long as gun owners keeo turning on each other over silly things, the Feds absolutely can do what they want
As long as gun owners refuse to get together, unified, en mass, into a solid community, and as long as there's bitter infighting in the firearms community.. the Feds can easily make examples of few owners and bam the rest fall into line because they're law abiding citizens
Repeating this from another thread.

That will never change. Ask 50 feminists in a room what feminism means and instant cat fight...

(That's irony, if it misses you).

 

[WWShooter]

That isn't true, 2nd Amendment Sanctuary laws are modeled on the same laws that created Sanctuary Cities & I haven't seen one Fed try to bust an illegal in even one Sanctuary City

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Second Amendment sanctuary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

One of many reports - ICE arrests 172 immigrants in sanctuary cities within a six-day span

 

[billdeserthills]

One of many reports - ICE arrests 172 immigrants in sanctuary cities within a six-day span

OK but how many guns did they impound?

 

[Kruel J]

I think the example was provided to show that sanctuary cities, whether for immigration or guns, doesn't really matter. If the feds want to do something, they will.

 

[billdeserthills]

I think the example was provided to show that sanctuary cities, whether for immigration or guns, doesn't really matter. If the feds want to do something, they will.

The feds can actually be barred from any State or county by it's CLEO

 

[WWShooter]

The feds can actually be barred from any State or county by it's CLEO

Well, no. The Civil War settled that issue.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Well, no. The Civil War settled that issue.

No it didn't.
https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...al-agents-it-just-happened-in-salt-lake-city/
This was in 2014, definitely not during the Civil War.

 

[WWShooter]

No it didn't.
https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/20...al-agents-it-just-happened-in-salt-lake-city/
This was in 2014, definitely not during the Civil War.

Wrong. There's a difference between federal preemption and violation of state law. Nothing in the cited article has anything to do with preemption.

 

[CamoDeafie]

Wrong. There's a difference between federal preemption and violation of state law. Nothing in the cited article has anything to do with preemption.

From the cited article, talking about the Federal Supremacy Clause?

Of course, a federal officer accused of committing assault is not considered the same as an officer attempting to enforce unconstitutional federal laws – even if it should be. That's where the incorrect interpretation of the Supremacy Clause gets thrown around. Here, it did not apply because even the feds aren't going to claim that officers have the right to point guns at cab drivers after a night of heavy drinking.

Yet, the principle behind the action remains. A federal agent pointing a gun at a cab driver's head because he's drunk is no different than pointing a gun at a cab driver's head because he's trying to enforce a federal law that violates the rights of the cab driver.

This is why, strategically, anti-commandeering laws are currently the most effective and practical for resisting unconstitutional federal laws. It allows us to thwart federal law enforcement in a state by refusing to provide them with necessary assistance. It is non-confrontational, as federal agents do not risk arrest. And unlike strong nullification laws, anti-commandeering has been upheld by the Supreme Court again and again.

So... the 2A does not preempt any new laws made or Executive Actions or Orders made?

Edit. Printz VS USA is an example of anti -commandeering decision held by SCOTUS. Where Fed Gov is prohibited from compelling State Officers/officials to enforce Fed Laws, and Fed Gov is prohibited from directly commanding State officers to enforce Fed laws.

 

[Ridge Walker]

That isn't true, 2nd Amendment Sanctuary laws are modeled on the same laws that created Sanctuary Cities & I haven't seen one Fed try to bust an illegal in even one Sanctuary City

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Second Amendment sanctuary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lets give the illegal a MSR with 60 round mags and the local LEO and Feds will be whistling a new tune.

 

[Ridge Walker]

From the cited article, talking about the Federal Supremacy Clause?

Edit. Printz VS USA is an example of anti -commandeering decision held by SCOTUS. Where Fed Gov is prohibited from compelling State Officers/officials to enforce Fed Laws, and Fed Gov is prohibited from directly commanding State officers to enforce Fed laws.

So... the 2A does not preempt any new laws made or Executive Actions or Orders made?

Yes, and it was and is the basis that county Sheriffs will continue to use to protect their Citizens civil rights. Hence the push to 're-imagine' US law enforcement. From now on every time you hear this phrase, program your brain to hear Federalising law enforcement to strip away your rights instead.

 

[Ridge Walker]

Today Texas takes another step...

NRA-ILA | Texas: Permitless Carry Scheduled for House Consideration on Thursday!

House Bill 1927, by Rep. Matt Schaefer (R-Tyler), an NRA-backed permitless carry proposal that would allow law-abiding citizens to carry a handgun without a state-issued License To Carry (LTC), will be debated by the full Texas House on Thursday!

www.nraila.org

 

[Jonnyuma]

Today Texas takes another step...

NRA-ILA | Texas: Permitless Carry Scheduled for House Consideration on Thursday!

House Bill 1927, by Rep. Matt Schaefer (R-Tyler), an NRA-backed permitless carry proposal that would allow law-abiding citizens to carry a handgun without a state-issued License To Carry (LTC), will be debated by the full Texas House on Thursday!

www.nraila.org

It's about time we got some players on offense. We (gun owners) have been in a defensive posture for decades, probably longer but I'm only "so many" decades old.
We NEED people to use some of their political capital on our behalf. Even if it fails, it puts the antis on defense for awhile and you can't move the ball forward on defense. Tie em up with pro gun legislation ALL... THE... TIME. Make em fight like hell and make each one of their "victories" as costly as possible.