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Global Warming Now National Security Threat

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by rufus, May 3, 2012.

  1. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    It was just a matter of time before it came down to this. :cool:

    Panetta: Environment Emerges as National Security Concern

    A bit over-reaching, no?
     
  2. jimwsea

    jimwsea Vancouver, Washington state Active Member

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    Hardwood floor guy Beaverton Active Member

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    everything seems to be a threat to national security these days.
    sounds like the goverment is paranoid schizophriniac???

    or is there money to be made off climate control???...no couldn't be that.
     
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    sadiesassy Prescott Active Member

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    I do not think he got the most recent memo where the original guys that declared Global Warming morphing to Climate Change ( WHich it does naturally) , Thye said their models were questionable. They do not believe in the extreme conditins.
     
  5. swoop

    swoop Milwaukie, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    If Panetta is so worried about fuel costs to the government, maybe he should lead by example and move closer to work. While he's at it he could ask his boss why he's using Air force 1 as a campaign taxi ever day of the week.
     
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    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Homes cause 100% of all deaths. This is easy to prove since 100% of all people who died had lived in a home within the past ten years. :thumbup:
     
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    aslinged Southern Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Panetta is the same guy who said last month that its the UN that determines whether or not US forces go to war right?

    (Google that one.)
     
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    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    Funny, I thought all the people who are lossing there jobs and security would be more important. But I guess not.
     
  10. salmonriverjohn

    salmonriverjohn N.W Oregon coast, Gods country Well-Known Member

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    A good read, thanks. I forwarded the link to a global warming alarmist co-worker that wears it like a crown, this should be interesting tomorrow morning.
     
  11. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    Again, my personal opinion, I think this current administration is the bigger thereat to our freedom and security.
     
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  12. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    They aren't exclusive. They were counting on Cap and Trade to raise the cost of carbon energy but that failed so they are doing it through EPA regulations and other roadblocks instead. Then they insult us by saying they have an "All of the Above Strategy for Energy".

    Try building a coal power plant.
    Existing coal plants shutting down.

    Gulf oil drilling blocked.
    North Slope drilling blocked.
    Keystone blocked.

    Nuclear Waste Depository shut down.

    It hasn't hit us too hard yet because demand is down but if the economy improves it will be more than just gas prices that go up. Having a devalued dollar won't help either.
     
  13. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    High energy prices are currently a large stumbling block in the path to economic recovery. As long as prices are kept up, and rising, the only "capitalists" that will succeed are the high end. The elite.

    Despite what we're told, by the people that claim to support the middle class, this is "by design."

    The whole idea is to get the proles to accept less by their own endeavors, and encourage them to accept greater government intervention "on their behalf."

    "Less is more."
     
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    JimmyS1985 St.Louis Active Member

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    FactCheck.org : Is Obama to Blame for $4 Gasoline?

    Factcheck.org disputes your assessment. Obama blocked the Keystone Pipeline temporarily so an environmental assessment can be done. The Gulf oil spill bubblegumed up the Gulf pretty hard, now the sea life in that area of the country are missing eyes and have lesions as the entire bottom of the Gulf around Louisiana is coated in atleast 2" of crude oil tar. I don't know about you, but I've always loved seafood. Lack of Government oversight and regulation is in part to blame for the large oil spill, and the Republican congress has blocked any effort to impose new safety regulations on oil rigs, let alone the XL Pipeline to prevent spills. Clean up technology for oil spills is the same now as it was 30-40 years ago, so while the Oil companies rake in profits, some of which come from subsidies paid for by the US tax payer, they do nothing about how to clean up their oil when it spills.

    Oil production is up in this country than it was 5 years ago according to factcheck.org. Also Obama has done a lot to increase the fuel mileage of our cars. We only have 5% of the worlds population, but we consume (check me on this) between 20% and 25% of the worlds daily oil production. Producing more is not going to be nearly as effective as finding and getting rid of things that are wasteful of crude oil in this country. A high speed rail system would do wonders for reducing oil consumption in this country, while providing infrastructure jobs and transportation that moves at a speed thats competitive with air travel over medium distances.

    Reminds me of Allen West complaining about gas prices and blaming Obama when he drives a 10mpg H2 Hummer. "Gee why does it cost $120 to fill my tank? I guess I'd rather blame the president than own a much more fuel efficient car!"
     
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  15. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Bubblegum from a liberal "fact" web site. The increased oil production we have is on private land and was started during the Bush administration. (No, I'm not a Bush fan, it just the facts.) The Obama administration has shot down every attempt for us to produce more oil including shutting down the Gulf. One spill doesn't mean we can't do it better next time. While we shut down, other countries including China are drilling in the gulf. That's plain stupid.

    The US has more untapped oil than all of the rest of the nations combined. We have Alaska, the shelves along the Rocky Mountains, the Gulf, and the Atlantic and Pacific. We somehow are stupid enough to allow ourselves to be beholding to countries which hate us, and where war might break out and cut off our oil supply.

    When our oil reserves are listed, they lie. They include only drilled and used wells. They don't include things we know about such as Anwar.

    To refuse a big oil supply from Canada is a disgrace to national security. The plans will work just fine. The government can drag its feet as long as it wants.

    YOU spend more government money which we DON'T HAVE on mass transit. YOU get on Obama's train LIKE A SHEEP and ride coast to coast. The government can NEVER run anything without a big loss to the taxpayers. See Amtrak and the Post Office.

    YOU become part of the sheep who bankrupt us building more government projects which restrict your freedom while that same government restricts your ability to move. They'll either restrict it with high gas prices or by putting you on a train.

    The US is bankrupt. The first and best thing we could do about that is to create untold thousands of jobs and keep almost a $trillion of our money at home by stopping sending oil money and jobs to countries which hate us.
     
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  16. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Anyone coming to the defense of the Obama regime's energy policy should seek shock treatment to complement the lobotomy. Unless, of course, you hate America and what it stands for.
     
  17. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    The price of oil/gasoline is just the tip of the iceberg.
    If you were considering an investment in a new business, would you do it in times of uncertain energy or transportation prices? After all, it's kind of hard to write a business plan (which MUST be submitted when applying for a start-up loan) when so many questions arise with concern to overhead.

    The new EPA rules have essentially prevented any more coal fired powerplants, and will make re-licensing impossible for most existing ones.
    New EPA rules and proposals are stifling natural gas exploration and production by placing unwarranted restrictions on fracking methods. NG prices are currently at record low levels. If one was really advocating an "all of the above" strategy for energy, with a plan for recovery, we would be "all in" for conversion to Natural Gas, for as many venues as possible.

    Nuclear energy has made some strides, but with plans for spent fuel storage/disposal abandoned, there is little chance it willl ever be expanded significantly.

    During the campaign, obama stated explicitly that energy prices would "necessarily skyrocket" under his plan.
    Energy Secretary Chu believes in price increases to curb the use of fossil fuels. Currently the NG industry is a thorn in his side, so he has turned to the EPA for assistance in raising NG prices, just like he did with coal.

    These plans/statements offer no other alternative, other than to stifle business and economic investment for the reasons I stated above. Green energy isn't viable in a market driven economy. If it/they were, we would be up to our ears in windmills and solar panels. Instead, we as taxpayers have been pumping $Billion$ into subsidies for them.
    $Billion$ that we don't have, and unless we make more jobs, will never have due to lack of revenue.
    Despite what some would have you believe, putting just half of our uncounted unemployed workforce back to work would provide significant revenue without raising ANYONE'S taxes!

    Uncertainty and lack of stability in markets that provide energy, labor, and transportation are HUGE obstacles in business and economic development.
    And this admin has proven it's ability to create them faster than the the Dept. of labor can create artificial job numbers.

    Quite a feat.
     
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  18. rufus

    rufus State of Jefferson Well-Known Member

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    Why you, you, you Capitalist! How dare you understand economics. :p
     
  19. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Guilty as charged! :D
     
  20. drew

    drew OR Well-Known Member

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    Maybe Panetta can declare dihydrogen monoxide a security threat too. It does kill people.

    I think we should have a trial ban in Washington D.C. to see how well it works.
     
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