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Global Arms and Ammo / Black Diamond WA

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by IronMonster, Jun 4, 2012.

  1. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    Nothing to see here
     
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  2. JackThompson

    JackThompson Valley of the Demons Well-Known Member

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    Do they have a web site? I googled them but only see a facebook page link, which I can't hit from work atm.
     
  3. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    Not much of a website, but here it is. ARMS.PRO
     
  4. nwpentax

    nwpentax Seattle New Member

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    WARNING - I found lots of cracked and dented cases in my ammo from Global Arms that was part of the group buy. Also, it was advertised as brand new ammo and what I got was reloads with used brass and pulled bullets. See this thread for more info and photos : Global Arms group buy (5.56) questions
     
  5. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    I guess Buyer beware
     
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  6. euge

    euge Snohomish Member

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    this batch just came available this week, and he is not the only one who received this sub par ammo.
     
  7. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    change of heart
     
  8. euge

    euge Snohomish Member

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    well it advertised listed as a 100% guarntee..... waiting for my $ back for 2 weeks. Stated he was sending out a money order to me and others last WEd. still nothing, no one at their shop. Not answering any of the phone numbers..

    buy at your own risk, dangerous ammo, lied about the ammo, non consistent charges, and keeping our money
     
  9. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    How much do you have?
     
  10. borrowedsig

    borrowedsig Lincoln, Nebraska Active Member

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    Yeah. Sgn did a group buy and they all got screwed. Bad loads bent lips gouges in the case inconsitant powder loads and bullet setback. If you know anything about reloading you should know that large bullet setback and a dented case will up the pressure immensely. Buy at your own risk.
    Oh and there are still a bunch of people waiting for their refunds. That. 20 cents a round you save wont be alot when you gun goes boom.

    Matt
     
  11. euge

    euge Snohomish Member

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    I ordered 4 cases received none, waiting for my refund. And I would never sell what I have seen.
     
  12. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    I almost bought from them and consider myself lucky that I did not. These round we advertised as NEW and not reloads, if memory serves me correctly. Maybe they can claim that if they are using pulled down components, but without disclosure that is pretty unethical.
     
  13. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    I agree with everything that's been said, I just haven't been able to find any of those issues with the rounds I bought... I bought 5000 rounds and freaked out a bit after what was posted so I went through all of what I bought... There are dented cases, but I found no cracked or folded case lips, I mic'd at least fifty rounds pulled at random from all 5 case lots and all were dead on and I pulled 20 bullets and checked powder loads all which were perfect... I then went and fired 200 rounds just to see what it was like... All loaded and fired flawless... If I thought there was something wrong with it I wouldn't offer to buy more... My feeling is most of the bad feelings are over people thought they were getting new factory ammo and got tarnished cases with a few dings... I can understand why folks would be upset over that Maybe my lot was not like the rest but I am happy to have got what I did. For plinking I'd rather not have to spend $.40/rd... I wouldn't bet my life on this ammo but after checking it out for myself I don't have any concerns over shooting it...
     
  14. euge

    euge Snohomish Member

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    feel lucky, I paid for 4 cases. I did not receive any ammo. Dave told me he was sending a money order the next day or that very day and I have not received my money back. This was from the buy that stated 100% satidfaction guranteed
     
  15. Page.k

    Page.k Seattle Active Member

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    Any new word?
     
  16. euge

    euge Snohomish Member

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    Well finally after growing tired of the "check is in the mail" for months I took off of work and drove down there. I finally got my refund. Still there are others waiting. This has been a total shiat show
     
  17. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Not to make a defense of the guy who clearly burned a lot of people... but you can buy brand new brass and bullets from ATK's lake city operation (same stuff they use to load M855 for the military), and then load it with the same powder ATK uses which can be purchased from hodgdon, western, or alliant powder. At 60K rounds, that's about 5-6 drums of powder so he could be buying direct. At that point the ammo is "new". But if it's assembled from pulled down components that's not new...

    If you guys are seeing case splits... that should not happen with new, or even reload brass, 223 doesn't start to split until it's been reloaded 5+ times, at which point it should be scrapped...

    I hate seeing people get burned on group buys. Especially if it's because the vendor sold them crap that they advertised as gold..
     
  18. euge

    euge Snohomish Member

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    cool, but not what he was doing, bullets where all pulled, brass was not new, etc.
    maybe you should inform him.
    deceit and lies, lots of them. We just want people to be aware. It took months to get my money back and a lot of work.
     
  19. Global Arms

    Global Arms Auburn, WA New Member

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    We didn't screw up the group-buy, other idiots on the forum did! No one got burned - everyone got ammo, or their money back. If you think you or someone else din't email me, don't call - 5.56ammunition@gmail.com. Our website may have not been very good before, but you might want to check it now at Global Arms and Ammunition. Anyone that says we are deceitful needs to learn how to read and learn about ammunition before opening their big mouth! We have NEVER sold anything but new components. Pulled components - yes, but new and never been fired. Once (or more) fired - no, never! Learn the difference before you spew bs from your mouth and make a fool of yourself. Incidentally, where is Nathan Jones and some of these other bubblegums these days? We are still here with guns and ammo, where are you all? Thanks to everyone who has supported us, everyone that doesn't know what they are talking about can go to hell! David Carl Williams, Global Arms & Ammutnion
     
  20. Eludnu

    Eludnu Oregon Member

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    Wow. 3 posts and already inviting members to go to hell. Well played.
     
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