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Getting robbed in portland no problem see Portland city police website it will help

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by jjackffrost, Jul 27, 2013.

  1. jjackffrost

    jjackffrost central oregon Active Member

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    Remember this is sarcasm.
    if your house gets broken into in Portland you need to find out why he/she/heshe or shehe is there
    When you “challenge” a stranger, you do not have to be rude or threatening. Remember to be polite but assertive. The best thing to do is to ask the person, “can I help you find someone or something, remember in Portland if your house is unlocked and there is no signs of no trespassing it is not braking and interring. (Unless you are homeless living in a tent)They are your neighbors if they are there to steal from you; you probably have too much stuff. Wait till they have finished then call the police in the city of Portland (police chiefs are not elected they are appointed for their political views) When dialing the non-emergency number you will go into a voicemail system. By selecting the correct options you will be able to speak to an operator. where the dispatcher will tell you to file a report online sense it was not a violent crime and an officer (officer of what I do not know) will be out in the next 3 days. Ow and if your property was not clearly mark no trespassing it is not private property except for tax purposes.
    Remain calm. Most robbers do not wish to harm their victims. They are only interested in getting money or property. The calmer you are, the less chance there is of the robber becoming agitated or dangerous. This also increases your chances of getting a more accurate description of the robber and being of greater assistance in the robber’s apprehension.
    • Do not argue, fight, surprise or attempt to use weapons against a robber. He has already taken a major risk by entering your home and is usually as frightened as you are. Because of this, additional provocation on your part could make the situation worse. Therefore, give the robber exactly what he or she wants and do it quickly. Don’t take unnecessary chances with your life.
    (Real) The funny thing is most of this I pulled from the Portland city police website,
     
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  2. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    In other words, lock your doors.
     
  3. LProf

    LProf Oregon Member

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    I was told during my required licensing class in Oregon that if you assault an intruder in your home, you risk a civil suite, and perhaps even a criminal assault charge.

    Just let them walk out with your property. If they are not there to harm you, and, of course, you don't know this until you are attacked, you can't use force to stop them.

    Can any really knowledgable member here confirm or correct this?

    Thanks.
     
  4. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    "braking and interring"? I don't know what that means but it sure is funny.

    LProf- You will be found guilty if you pay any mind to these horrible "guidelines"(for they are not laws) by a jury of your peers. The best thing to do, if you find yourself standing over a recently deceased intruder(or "neighbor", I guess) is shut the bubblegum up and wait for a lawyer. After that, never make any mention of illegal guidelines and only refer to your inalienable right to self defense and preservation. Once you acknowledge the Socialists "laws" as being valid, in their eyes you can't go back(even though they can step in and out of Constitutional "legality" as they see fit. You know, The Constitution allows them to demonstrate in favor of illegal aliens(The First), but does not allow you to Keep And Bear Arms(The Second)). Pretty convenient for the police state, isn't it?
     
  5. Baggerman

    Baggerman Corvallis, Oregon Active Member

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    Only two things should come out of your mouth:
    "They were going to kill me"
    "I want to speak to a lawyer"
    When you get out of jail go see a shrink, pastor or priest to show your remorse and how traumatic this event has been on you.
     
  6. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    i found it on the sight. only the part after the bullet point is on their website. the rest just looks like a rant.
     
  7. LProf

    LProf Oregon Member

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    Thanks, guys. But, I am an experienced shooter, and know what to say, and what not to say, if I am ever required to use deadly force to protect me or my family.

    We recently moved to West linn, Oregon from Florida, don't ask, where the castle doctrine and SYG laws protect you from both criminal prosecution and civil liability in almost any use of deadly force in either a home invasion or attempted carjacking of an occupied vehicle.

    So, my question really is not what to do or not do after the fact, but, rather, what is the law in Oregon in those kinds of situations?
     
  8. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    99% of all of this is preparation like everything else.

    Most 'intruders' are going to stroll right into your unlocked home. My neighbors leave their house unlocked 24/7. To each their own.

    Someone that smashes in your front down or bashes a window will be perceived as more of a threat than someone you allow to stroll right in.

    Meth heads and common thieves are smart enough to know how to scam. You walk into your kitchen, he is standing there, you go ape and he claims he though your home was a small business selling stuff. After all, the door was wide open.

    This actually happened to a friend of mine ten years ago and the cops let the perp walk away.

    Home and small business fast snatch and grabs are VERY common now. The thief strolls into your home with the intent of stealing just 1 or 2 items like a purse very quickly and then slinking out unseen.

    Just like you'll never leave your car unlocked for five minutes while you are inside 7-11 you should use the same wisdom with your home. Never leave a door unlocked. Not even to walk around the house to turn on a garden hose.
     
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  9. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    We're lucky to have an advocacy group here in Oregon. Here's a link for a good place to start to begin to understand Oregon gun laws:
    Oregon Gun Laws. A Guide In Plain English - Oregon Firearms Federation

    There are obviously many here that try to be active politically. Come February or March, as the legislature makes preparation for the new session, there is sure to be a flurry of new bills proposed by the anti rights people. There will be plenty of opportunities for you to join us in participating in the fight for our rights.
     
  10. LProf

    LProf Oregon Member

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    Burt, I never leave my house or car unlocked. What about an intrusion in the middle of the night? I wake up to find intruders who broke into my house. I have no idea of what they intend. Steal stuff, rape my wife, kill us??? Can I use deadly force? That is my question.

    Does anyone have a direct answer to this?
     
  11. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    There was a question much like this here recently..

    http://www.northwestfirearms.com/legal-political/144093-what-law-if-somone-your-home.html
     
  12. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Wiki: "Robbery is the crime of taking or attempting to take something of value by force or threat of force or by putting the victim in fear. At common law, robbery is...".

    Then there's burglary.
    And then there's theft.

    If you get burgled, you didn't get robbed.
     
  13. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Ask the intruder if he would be comfortable discussing terms.

    Sit him down and make him some coffee. Decaf if after 6pm of so.

    If he is ok with only leaving with a couple small items give him a toaster, maybe a blender, some DVDs, or offer him $20-$30.

    Thank him so his time and escort him to the door.

    The legal system will be entirely happy with this scenario. Anything more violent in terms of a response and there is risk.

    Befriend your meth head, no need for hostilities and violence :).

    I know we can all learn for Blitzkrieg. This is his plan when an intruder is laying next to his wife smoking a cigarette, drinking his beer.

    Notes on the refrigerator as a reminder; yellow smiley face; be KIND first above all things.

    "Men have feelings too. Can the person inside your home share them with you? The inner child cries from deep within, nourish me brother, we both can win."
     
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  14. Blaylocke

    Blaylocke Lewis County Active Member

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    Here is my thought on this (Certaindeaf linked you to a thread that will be helpful as well). If I am asleep in the middle of the night, my family is sleeping, and I hear the door get KICKED in or a window get SMASHED in, I will be in immediate fear for my life. Someone entering my home, with people in it, in the cover of darkness and using force to access it, I will reasonably assume is a direct threat to my life.

    Would a reasonable person believe that someone smashing in through the window or a door in the middle of the night is an imminent threat to cause injury or death? I believe yes.

    --

    That said, if I left the doors unlocked and someone just walked in, there is less of a defensible position (legally) for justifiable homicide if a confrontation of any sort occurs.
     
  15. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    This may be 'backwards' reasoning but I am not obligated to lock either my house or car (and don't regularly) but intruders are required to stay out, or or away if it is obviously not their car or a recognizable place of business which my house is not.
     
  16. LProf

    LProf Oregon Member

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    Blaylocke Lewis County Active Member

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    No doubt about it. Nobody here will disagree with you. But it only takes one whiney *** prosecutor to make the case that you leaving your door unlocked was like an open invitation. Some of these people are scumbags.
     
  18. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Yea, you can trust scumbags and cut throats to not enter your unlocked house.
    lolz
     
  19. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    And I hope I never have to endure any legal action with regard to this because I will most likely lose my case and get charged with 'contempt' due to my big mouth and how I would no doubt call the defendant everything but a white man.
     
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  20. unklekippy

    unklekippy In The Mountains Near Sprague River Well-Known Member

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    The bottom line is that any time you fear for your life you are allowed to defend yourself. That is not an Oregon law, but an American one. I believe we now know that Stand Your Ground is different than self defense. Waking up in the middle of the night to an intruder in your house warrants self defense. Only you could screw it up by what you say. A sleeping family, broken window/door, 3am and a dead man with a balaclava on the living room floor speaks for itself and no jury would hang you unless you gave them good reason to.