getting rid of an illegal weapon

[PX4WA]

just remember the only part here that is a firearm is the lower... all other parts are accessories that may be modified without restriction as long as the final product meets NFA guidelines...

what makes it NFA is attaching the wrong upper to the lower...

separate the two and you are no longer illegal.... lots of people have ar pistols and lowers that they could possibly swap out... they are not violating any laws since they do not intend to mix the two up... and never thought about doing such...

the upper can be modified however you please... and can be configured as a rifle or pistol by the new owner.. if he wants a pistol, he should recrown the barrel and buy a pistol lower or build one...

if he wants a rifle, he should get a new barrel.....

getting a stripped lower, pistol buffer and he's good to go (he can do himself) for under 150$... then he can sell his rifle lower for about the same as parts...

 

[Nwcid]

I have read the aft's position statement in the T/C case. They as in the BATF say it is not legal to turn rifle into a pistol even if the receiver started out as a pistol once it has a buttstock a barrel length of 16" or more and an oal length of 26" or greater it is a rifle and the only way to legally shorten the oal length to less then 26" or a barrel shorter than 16" it must be registered as a nfa item (sbr).

That was the case for many years.

A couple years ago it changed that IF a gun started as a pistol it could go to rifle and back at any time. There are just too many guns that are so easy to change that it makes a bad rule (it was never a law, just an ATF opinion) even worse. Look at the Beretta Neo, or the Mech Tech uppers that are readily available.

 

[iamme]

But but can't we just keep passing on bad info in this trainwreck of a thread??

That was the case for many years.

A couple years ago it changed that IF a gun started as a pistol it could go to rifle and back at any time. There are just too many guns that are so easy to change that it makes a bad rule (it was never a law, just an ATF opinion) even worse. Look at the Beretta Neo, or the Mech Tech uppers that are readily available.

 

[Murdoc]

Take off the barrel and cut it into three pieces with a torch. Or find a flash suppresor that is four inches long and pin it to the barrel so it becomes a permanent part of the overall lenght.

 

[Redcap]

Take off the barrel and cut it into three pieces with a torch. Or find a flash suppresor that is four inches long and pin it to the barrel so it becomes a permanent part of the overall lenght.

Or just remove the upper from the lower and keep them separate. No reason to destroy anything.

 

[DuneHopper]

How about aking into a wall hanger, clean it up maybe do some cool metal or wood work and hang it up?
You could make a non operative gun and use it for decoration.

 

[waltermitty]

Originally Posted by Murdoc View Post
Take off the barrel and cut it into three pieces with a torch. Or find a flash suppresor that is four inches long and pin it to the barrel so it becomes a permanent part of the overall lenght.

Or just remove the upper from the lower and keep them separate. No reason to destroy anything.

you're recommending a method which can be construed by BATF as possession, absent any other lower which can be packaged to conform to legal SBR or legal pistol status. possession is legally defined as components which are under your control. thus, even if you stored it in mom's basement, if you still have access to the home (coming and going) at will, you're still in possession.

so in any case it probably isn't constructive (pun intended) to recommend something so simplistic

 

[Nwcid]

Why do so many want to just destroy stuff that does not need destroyed? All those parts can legally be bought and sold all day long.

 

[Redcap]

you're recommending a method which can be construed by BATF as possession, absent any other lower which can be packaged to conform to legal SBR or legal pistol status. possession is legally defined as components which are under your control. thus, even if you stored it in mom's basement, if you still have access to the home (coming and going) at will, you're still in possession.

so in any case it probably isn't constructive (pun intended) to recommend something so simplistic

Yeah and a shoestring can legally be construed as a machinegun autosear. What is your point?

My recommendation is absolutely constructive. Why are you so in favor of this guy destroying his items?

 

[waltermitty]

you've mistaken my responses for another. i don't believe the upper should be destroyed, simply rendered legal.

the argument regarding the shoestring is silly. the thread is over a short upper installed onto a lower which is presumed not to be a registered Title 2. if you're really so cavalier as to suggest that people take the advice to simply separate the upper from the lower and they're hunky dory, that would be legally inadvisable as the BATF FAQ and attached opinion letter clearly states. fortunately, it also isn't difficult to render the short upper legal without destroying and mangling it in the process. reading is fundamental