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Getting Out Of Dodge Realities

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by skydiver, Aug 17, 2012.

  1. skydiver

    skydiver Sandy,OR Well-Known Member

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    While returning to the Portland area from Seattle recently, I encountered 5 separate accidents along the route on I-5. Each one shut down or slowed down traffic in both directions. It made a hot August drive almost twice as long.

    Why both directions?
    1. Emergency vehicles responding from both directions
    2. "Rubber-Neckers" slowing down to get a view
    3. Faster moving "Rubber-Neckers" rear-endeding the slower "rubber-neckers" in front of them
    4. Dry vegetation catching fire along side the freeway from one of the wrecks
    5. Injured people being treated and their wreckage blocking the road.
    6. Vehicles breaking down while waiting for the traffic to clear by running out of gas, over-heating radiators, etc.
    7. The domino effect

    What did I learn?
    1. I re-discovered the harsh reality that Getting-Outta-Dodge on freeways won't be possible during a major event. (This was just an average Sunday in August! Imagine what panic would add to it.)
    2. Some of these wrecks caused traffic to be backed-up from one city to the next.
    3. Depending on where you get caught in the traffic, there may be no exit, alternative route or way out.
    4. Before you can act, you get blocked-in from vehicles around you. They get blocked-in as well. In an instant, everyone is stuck until the traffic clears. Therefore, stay in the slow lane so you can exit to the right to get off-road.
    5. Buy a helicopter that can fold up to go in your trunk. :)
     
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  2. mrblond

    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    my whole " getting out of dodge" will be heading either east or west rather then north or south and trying to stay off any major roads.
     
  3. skydiver

    skydiver Sandy,OR Well-Known Member

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    Plan "B" and "C" definitely necessary.
     
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  4. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    powersbj Seattle Area Active Member

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    Driving post event is a no-go. If you've read the FEMA eval of a major local earthquake, going over the cascades is out due to landslides. Flying or boating are options, walking is pretty risky.
     
  6. Key-Hay

    Key-Hay North Carolina Active Member

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    Flying car done right!


    Mavrick Light Sport Aircraft
    Home
     
  7. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    Maybe have a motorcycle as "plan-whatever"?
     
  8. skydiver

    skydiver Sandy,OR Well-Known Member

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    What if that traffic jam in front of me is being caused by a major event that just happened without warning?
    Being blocked in front and back means I'm not going anywhere and there will be no tow trucks or first responders to clear it out.
    They would be working in the cities.
    Now I'd be on-foot trying to get back to Dodge!
    I thought long and hard about that all the way home without a Bug-Back Bag in my car.
     
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  9. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    I love the copter as a toy and other ideas, but you have to know that if you do such a thing in a SHTF scenario you will be used as target practice.

    The only practical get out of Dodge vehicle is an on/off road motorcycle. Something that can be used to get around roadblocks and miles and miles of backed-up traffic. Personally, I think the whole bug out thing is way overrated. One's best chance of survival is to be prepped, understated, and try to stay under the radar.

    Buzzing around is just going to get you nowhere but into trouble. If you are a mountain-man type and live near the Ozarks I could see it. If you are a Portlander trying to find trees and deer, not so much.
     
  10. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    I think the same way as you, Burt Gummer, and some others. I've already seen what can happen in greater Seattle due to a seeming "simple" snow storm.

    I've prepared a large duffel bag and keep in my commuter vehicle. My get-home bag (GHB) includes a backpack, weapon, full changes of clothing, blah blah blah.

    Peter
     
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    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    If I thought more about these types of scenarios this would be the same way I'd go about it. I've got the KTM Adventure fueled up in the garage and all the other things at home - plus living out-of-the-way doesn't hurt.
     
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    Hook686 Northern California Active Member

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    OregonPlinker Creswell, Or Active Member

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    My horses are the vehicle of choice the way I see it. They have a brain. While its only the size of a walnut you can still train them to do amazing things including take the wheel while I shoot, Hunt like a good dog, Warn you of approaching danger. Its a partnership. I take horses places most gas powered vehicles would break into pieces as you winched them thru the terrain. And while I would never need to try it Im pretty sure I could just ride over the top of a traffic jam. If I didnt have horses I would opt for a small dirtbike I could lift over trees and stuff.
     
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    slingshot1943 salem or Well-Known Member

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    People can move those broke down cars by hand. Brute strength and ignorance is an amazing combination. About 7 young guys can lift and move one end at a time. We used to pick them out of ditches before the tow truck got there for a prank.
     
  15. skydiver

    skydiver Sandy,OR Well-Known Member

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    Another Problem:

    During a "Major Event" panicked people will do desperate things that they normally wouldn't do.
    Like...ambush you to get your dirt bike, boat, horse, ATV, whatever.
    You will be a target as they justify...it's me or them.
     
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    wupddu Beaverton, OR Member

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  17. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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    I find myself asking questions such as what is the useful load (total weight that it can carry), how might the rotors perform in light precipitation, etc.

    It is an interesting innovation though, and might evolve into something more practical later.

    Peter
     
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  18. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    I just can't believe, even if someone had unlimited funds/resources, that the mini chopper could be taken seriously.

    Talking a shtf scenario here where anything high tech is going to get Jasper and Billy Bob to pull over in their pickup truck, pull their rifle/SG, and start 'a blasting.

    There would no more helpless feeling then to be dangling around in the air waiting to be used as target practice. You would be shot full of holes just for the fun of it. I wouldn't shoot you, but surely someone would. Paranoia and fear would rule the day and some guy playing Power Rangers in the sky ... well ... goodnight nurse.
     
  19. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    At the Museum of Flight's Personal Courage Wing, a display talks about WWI flyers being shot at by their own ground troops. Anyone living in better conditions than the ground troops (which certainly described the pilots) was fair game for getting shot at (paraphrasing somewhat from what I remember).

    BTW: if you haven't visited the Personal Courage Wing at the Museum of Flight, it's well worth a trip there just for that.
     
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  20. mortar maggot

    mortar maggot western wa Active Member

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    Waiting for the big earthquake or SHTF scenario then leaving in the minutes and hours after most likely won't work, because of traffic. All surface streets, highways, freeways will be jammed leaving the big cities. That little Nisqually earthquake 10 or so years ago showed that you could not get out of the Seattle area.

    You need to leave early for the SHTF scenarios and unless you have the ability to predict earthquakes, you will need to bug in, or wait a day or more.

    Or live somewhere that you don't have to get out of a city. Go try the country life.