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getting my lower's SBR'd

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by JB11rx, Jan 29, 2014.

  1. JB11rx

    JB11rx East Linn County Member

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    So I am going to be sending three lowers in to get engraved so I can start the process to get them SBR'd....

    I know I need to have my name, city and state engraved, My question is this... Lets say my birth name is Joseph E Billings and I live in Corvallis Oregon... do I need to have the engravment done like this:

    Joseph E Billings
    Corvallis Oregon

    or since I go by Joe can I have it done like this:

    Joe E Billings
    Corvallis Oregon

    Do I havw to have my middle initial in there or not? I guess I'm just wondering how my name needs to be engraved... I dont want to ship these again...

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. misplacedtexan

    misplacedtexan Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    You should include the middle initial, but that ATF's NFA branch has issued guidance that when submitting forms as a person you can use known abbreviations of names. Joe for Joseph would fall under that umbrella.

    You could also use J. E. Billings.

    and Oregon can be engraved as just OR.



    Reference:

    [Code of Federal Regulations]
    [Title 27, Volume 2]
    [Revised as of April 1, 2003]
    From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
    [CITE: 27CFR479.102]
    [Page 188-189]
    TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS
    CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
    DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
    PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents
    Subpart G--Registration and Identification of Firearms
    Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified?
    (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must
    legibly identify the firearm as follows:
    (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise
    conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped
    (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual
    serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not
    susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must
    not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For
    firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,
    the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number
    must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller
    than 1/16 inch; and
    (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise
    conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped
    (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain
    additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not
    susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For
    firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002,
    the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information
    must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information
    includes:
    (i) The model, if such designation has been made;
    (ii) The caliber or gauge;
    (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when
    applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
    (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State
    (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer
    maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the
    firearm; and
    [[Page 189]]
    (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in
    which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized
    abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of
    business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see
    Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.
    (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be
    measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges.
    The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this
    section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of
    the character impression bottoms (bases).
    (c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon
    receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate,
    showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder
    the effective administration of this part.
    (d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize
    other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter
    application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving,
    casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or
    impracticable.
    (e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a
    complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed
    of by you must be identified as required by this section.
    (f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for
    the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete
    firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you
    must be identified as required by this section.
    (2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of
    parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts
    defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application
    from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification
    is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this
    part.
     
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  3. JB11rx

    JB11rx East Linn County Member

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    Sweet! Thanks for the info!
     
  4. misplacedtexan

    misplacedtexan Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    On a side note for everyone else...

    Trust, Corporations, and the like CANNOT have abbreviated.
     
  5. JB11rx

    JB11rx East Linn County Member

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    In reference to the engraving is there anyone local that does SBR engraving? I'd rather keep my money in state if I can... and my lowers out of the mail...

    Thanks
     
  6. sparky923

    sparky923 Albany New Member

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    BYE engraving up near Portland seems to be a favorite. Nobody else seems to. I'd like find one South of Salem.
     
  7. OREGON FALER

    OREGON FALER Springfield, OR. Active Member

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    Halo Manufacturing down in eugene will do it for $50 each. And he takes a while to get it done.
     
  8. Modeler

    Modeler Molalla, Oregon Soccer Fan

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    BYE will do it while you wait and for $25-30 (I don't remember exactly).
     
  9. BIG_GUNNUT

    BIG_GUNNUT North Central Oregon Active Member

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    Bye engraving. Call ahead and make an appointment. They have been $25.
     
  10. JB11rx

    JB11rx East Linn County Member

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    Thanks for all the options guys!
     
  11. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Now if I could only find a 10" Uzi barrel to have engraved, I'd SBR mine.
     
  12. goatguns

    goatguns Dallas OR Member

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    BYE engraving just did 3 for me and they are great people. I made an appointment and they did them in about 35 minutes while I shoot the breeze with them.
     
  13. JRH Oregon

    JRH Oregon Oregon Active Member

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    Would initials only be considered a recognized abbreviation? Or does the last name need to be completely spelled out?
     
  14. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    From my understanding, the only thing you can abbreviate is the state. You have to spell out everything else. That's why smart people choose a short name when they set up their trust.