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Gay Marriage = National Concealed Carry?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Deebow, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. Deebow

    Deebow Portland Well-Known Member

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    The question was posed some time back when this all got going. This is a small sample here of some reasoning and thinking on it.

    http://bearingarms.com/scotus-ruling-sex-marriage-mandates-nationwide-concealed-carry-reciprocity/

    And now the SCOTUS has established the legal precedent that marriages (and the licenses thereof) are now legal in all 50 states.

    Methinks that there is going to be a move very soon to pose these questions:

    1) How can the State of (insert libturd commie province/location here) be required to recognize my marriage and my driver's license if I am there, but not my CHL?

    2) How can the State of (insert libturd commie province/location here) recognize my 14th Amendment right to marry who I choose, but deny me my 2nd Amendment right to bear arms?


    These questions going forward are likely to be seen in a case to the SCOTUS (Like Heller and McDonald) and going forward, I feel confident that National Concealed Carry, through the recognition of CHLs in all states will be something we see in our lifetime.
     
  2. Fast Eddie

    Fast Eddie Vancouver Well-Known Member

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    While I share your enthusiasm for such rulings and legislation, I am afraid I will grow old watching my children's 2A Rights slip away.
     
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  3. SHPD_Retired

    SHPD_Retired Saint Helens Well-Known Member

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    You are applying logic to your thoughts, unlike what the government and Supreme Court does. It would be nice though if it did happen.
     
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  4. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    You have inserted logic where only emotions reside.

    Divide by zero.

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  5. Hayshaker

    Hayshaker Irrigon Active Member

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    Looks like a good argument coming ~~ only draw back is the time it takes to get it to court.:(
     
  6. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    If private business cannot deny serivice then I can carry ANYWHERE I choose aside from antigun government zones.

    Its my lifestyle and people need to be tolerant. EVEN IF IT GOES AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS.

    Why can some gain new rights that infinge on ithers beliefs yet some groups are having their rights stripped away?
     
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  7. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Sadly, that might be how they pass a national handgun registration and liability bill. Amd the fudds are just stupid enough to eat it up just so they can go from one state to another with a pistol on their hip..
     
  8. soberups

    soberups Newberg Well-Known Member

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    I would say our 2nd Amendment rights are stronger now then they were 30 years ago. We have 2 Supreme Court rulings in our favor, "shall issue" carry permits are available in all but a handful of states, and sales of guns and ammo are at an all-time high. I'm not saying everything is perfect, but there are a bunch of people in Chicago and Washington DC who would say things are certainly headed in the right direction.
     
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  9. NSDQ

    NSDQ NW Portland, Oregon Active Member

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    I've been saying this for YEARS. Gun rights in America are at an all time high. My father was a card carrying member of the NRA during the periods before the NRA became a lobbying wing for the manufacturers and the secondary industry. Back when the NRA was Veterans and Law enforcement... long long before the civilian shooting market exploded.

    The very fact that 2a has survived all of these mass shootings is an example to the strength of the lobbying power and the fact that gun ownership has risen.

    BTW this goes back to many of my combative points about gun popularity and ownership = to more morons with no training versus back to an NRA that was about professionalism.
     
  10. Deebow

    Deebow Portland Well-Known Member

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    I am optimistic that this isn't going to happen. Since marriage is a "civil right" that now can't be denied under the 14th Amendment, and must be recognized in every state; it sure is going to be hard, based upon that precedent for New York to say that they aren't going to recognize my "civil right" to carry a gun for self defense.

    I am popping some corn and watching the show when it gets rolling. It will be fun watching the heads of every libturd explode as they try to work their way around the premise. :D
     
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  11. edslhead

    edslhead Vanc Gold Supporter Gold Supporter Silver Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    I think you're wrong about private entities, especially businesses, and specifically insurance companies.

    And in that respect, this could be a valid argument for an end to gun free zones since it impacts people with certain beliefs.
     
  13. Phrank

    Phrank Forest Grove Active Member

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    As good as it might sound from a bad situation, I'd see it as a path to national registration.
     
  14. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    Great!

    You guys are forgetting something. One word.



    A. G. E. N. D. A.
     
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  15. defending fathers 1787

    defending fathers 1787 SW Washington Member

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    I don't think so but there may be another catch to think about.
    Lawyers have a license to practice law in the states where they pass the bar. Otherwise they can not practice law in that location. Carrying concealed may operate the same way in the future.
    It might come to pass that all citizens will have a right to meet the requirements in a given state to carry some day. If something is a right, then there must be a means to exercise it.
     
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    Simonpie Portland Active Member

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    I always enjoy the back and forth on "state's rights". Back in the 60's it was the tool of segregation. In the 90's it was touted for assisted suicide. More recently for pot legalization. Now that state's rights are trumped for gay marriage we see a positive in concealed carry. It could just as easily be a negative against concealed carry (or a certain type of ammo, or magazine size, or...).

    When discussing state's rights and federal powers, it is important to mentally divorce it from the specific issue at hand and focus on the political structure alone.
     
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  17. notazombie

    notazombie Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    I think you've hit on the solution. As soon as you adopt the designation as ammosexual, you can carry anywhere you want. Objections would be considered discrimination and/or possibly a hate crime;).
    Beat the antis at their own game. Control the language.
     
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  18. Wayne

    Wayne Near Tacoma Active Member

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    All this just shows me is that SCOTUS is no longer doing their jobs. This and the ACA ruling the day before tells me they are no longer ruling on the law or constitution but on their emotions and public opinion. Does not look good for us in the future. They are now making laws just like Obama. We no longer have 3 branches of goverment.
     
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  19. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    Scotus +politics - logic (logic in scotus nowadays is non existent) = no national cc

    Obamacare should now be called scotuscare
    Because of how they came to their ruling
     
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  20. jefe

    jefe Portland Active Member

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    i don't understand why everyone is concentrating on concealed carry. the manner in which the 14th amendment was applied to legalize gay marriage, could be used to rollback any/all state level gun control laws--such as "universal background checks."

    unless the federal government passes a law on "universal background checks," then the states no longer have the authority (per the 14th amendment) to impose restriction upon their people.