Fully automatic, Short barreled rifles, etc. in WA

[CaliberGeek]

So I understand fully automatic weapons, unlike in other states, are completely illegal for civilians to own in WA. There is no paperwork or fee to pay in the world that would allow a washingtonian to own a fully automatic weapon (but you can in Oregon just paperwork + $200 stamp fee)




My question is, what are the rules for short-barreled rifles such as a 10.5" AR-15?

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[tripleshotsplease]

no such thing.

the only thing we have in WA is AOW, which is "Any Other weapon" but no SBR aka Short Barreled Rifles
sorry bud, we all want one, but that requires moving to OR...... "hippy-land" cough cough " Portlandia" cough cough

 

[CaliberGeek]

thanks. answered my question

 

[Swedish K]

The exception to the rule is grandfathered NFA items - if you had them before change of the law you could keep them but not transfer them in the state.

 

[pokerace]

no such thing.

the only thing we have in WA is AOW, which is "Any Other weapon" but no SBR aka Short Barreled Rifles
sorry bud, we all want one, but that requires moving to OR...... "hippy-land" cough cough " Portlandia" cough cough

you DON'T have to live in HIPPY LAND

 

[conp435]

get a ffl and pay your sot and have all the toys you want.

 

[Nwcid]

There are 6 classes of NFA items; Silencers, SBR (short barreled rifle), SBS (short barreled shotgun), AOW (any other weapon), DD (destructive device) and MG (machine gun). Currently in WA Silencers, DD and AOW are Legal while the rest are not. There is a push to get SBS/SBR legal soon.

You have to do NFA paperwork to purchase any of them. Here is some more info for you, GunBroker.com Message Forums - Basic NFA FAQ (update 4-6-11)

 

[DinhRose]

I understand automatic weapons and to some degree why silencers are an nfa items...but it's what I don't understand are why sbr's require a tax stamp and approval. Perfectly legal to purchase an ar15 or an ar pistol but or some reason a an ar15 with a shorter barrel require a tax stamp?

 

[pokerace]

Your GOV... at work....

 

[Ding]

"Short-barreled rifles are illegal simply because they are short, which makes them suitable for unlawful purposes because of their concealability and ease of handling." This is how they view things.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

The NFA of '34 originally included handguns as highly regulated firearms. They removed that restriction to get it passed. They conveniently forgot to remove the restrictions about shortening rifles and shotguns to make them concealable.
There is no logic to it, like most firearm laws.

I understand automatic weapons and to some degree why silencers are an nfa items...but it's what I don't understand are why sbr's require a tax stamp and approval. Perfectly legal to purchase an ar15 or an ar pistol but or some reason a an ar15 with a shorter barrel require a tax stamp?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I understand automatic weapons and to some degree why silencers are an nfa items...but it's what I don't understand are why sbr's require a tax stamp and approval. Perfectly legal to purchase an ar15 or an ar pistol but or some reason a an ar15 with a shorter barrel require a tax stamp?

The 2nd Amendment states that ARMS are our birthRIGHT.. not a priviledge parceled out by a government agency

A RIGHT cannot be minimized or abridged

 

[Jammer Six]

A RIGHT cannot be minimized or abridged

And yet, it's heavily regulated, by 51 different governments, and you comply with the regulations.

Under those circumstances, I don't see why you'd raise your voice.

A lot of the regulations are good things. That makes it a scale of gray.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

And yet, it's heavily regulated, by 51 different governments, and you comply with the regulations.

Under those circumstances, I don't see why you'd raise your voice.

A lot of the regulations are good things. That makes it a scale of gray.

The Founders nor I believe in "scales of grey" in this matter. Regulations on essential rights are NEVER a "good thing.. EVER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tench_Coxe

As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American.... [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." (Tench Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.)

Try boning up on the whys and hows the BORs was created..

http://www.tasigh.org/kevin/firearmq.html

 

[Jammer Six]

The founders were rich, many of them were slave owners, and the constitution they wrote specifically did not protect over 70% of the humans then living in what became the United States. They wrote to protect themselves, but the significant point is this: they knew that the constitution would have to be changed, immediately and significantly.

The bill of rights is the result of that foresight and that change, one should never forget that.

What it means is that they knew they couldn't predict where we'd be, and they wrote the founding documents accordingly.

It's up to us to keep what we want and change the rest to suit what we need.

In a world without electricity, they had no way of dealing with the problem of child pornography on the internet.

They were wise enough to know that, and ignoring this state of affairs is mentally and spiritually lazy.

It might be simpler, but that is its only attraction. Black and white is for children, who have not developed the wisdom to deal with reality, which is always gray.

There is only one unregulated right, there is only one right that the government does not have the power to strip from you.

 

[tedium27]

Just to muddle things up a bit; there is NO SUCH THING as a silencer, only muzzle blast suppressors.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

The founders were rich, many of them were slave owners, and the constitution they wrote specifically did not protect over 70% of the humans then living in what became the United States. They wrote to protect themselves, but the significant point is this: they knew that the constitution would have to be changed, immediately and significantly.

The bill of rights is the result of that foresight and that change, one should never forget that.

What it means is that they knew they couldn't predict where we'd be, and they wrote the founding documents accordingly.

It's up to us to keep what we want and change the rest to suit what we need.

In a world without electricity, they had no way of dealing with the problem of child pornography on the internet.

They were wise enough to know that, and ignoring this state of affairs is mentally and spiritually lazy.

It might be simpler, but that is its only attraction. Black and white is for children, who have not developed the wisdom to deal with reality, which is always gray.

There is only one unregulated right, there is only one right that the government does not have the power to strip from you.

You can't change or deny any inalienable right no matter how hard you try. I consider anyone who tries to do so a domestic enemy.. you fill in the blanks

Throwing in the rich and slaveowner red herring comment was proof you are a brainwashed lemming

 

[Redcap]

And yet, it's heavily regulated, by 51 different governments, and you comply with the regulations.

Under those circumstances, I don't see why you'd raise your voice.

A lot of the regulations are good things. That makes it a scale of gray.

I do?

 

[JGRuby]

Blitzkrieg - go ahead and buy, purchase and make all the SBR's you want - dont register or pay a tax stamp on it - its your right. We will be seeing in in about 10 to 15 years and then tell us how much of a right you have.
You can do anything you want but remember all actions have consequences whether any of us like it or not.


James Ruby

 

[Nwcid]

Just to muddle things up a bit; there is NO SUCH THING as a silencer, only muzzle blast suppressors.

Funny. How come all my Form 4's say "Silencer" on them? How come "Silencer" is listed in the ATF NFA handbook but suppressor is not?

But then again I guess there is no such thing as facial tissue either, they really should be called "booger catchers"............