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So... there are people in the industry meeting gun Jesus for the first time and trying to B.S. him. Smart marketing. :s0096:
 
So... there are people in the industry meeting gun Jesus for the first time and trying to B.S. him. Smart marketing. :s0096:
The thing I like most about him is he does not seem to suffer fools gladly, as opposed to most of the others who seem to "sell to fools gladly"
 
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Lol.........I had forgotten (rightfully so) about that stupidly designed "non-NFA" Franklin Armory "Reformation".

"Hey! Let's build a rifle with no rifling and then market the crap out of it without saying it has no rifling!"

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Lol.........I had forgotten (rightfully so) about that stupidly designed "non-NFA" Franklin Armory "Reformation".

"Hey! Let's build a rifle with no rifling and then market the crap out of it without saying it has no rifling!"

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I never saw anything from FA that said the Reformation had no rifling. All their ad copy touted the straight rifling as a specific feature. The only thing I noticed is that they did not often mention the little special finned bullets they recommended for for any kind of accuracy past across-the-room distances. I can see someone being miffed about that if they ran out and bought one (or rather tried to buy one) and then learned they needed special ammo to be able to hit a target at the range.

But I don't think that was really the point of the Reformation. The point was to push the ATF to define their terms, which they did:


The ATF had to admit they were out of compliance with the law by having no legal way to approve the transfer of a Reformation to a customer. It seems that there is still a lawsuit out to force the ATF into compliance so that FA can sell the complete firearms. The product line seems to be in hibernation until that is sorted out. Also there seems to be some question as to the legality of the ATFs classification but there does not seem to be any movement on that front, legally speaking. But FA did get the ATF to admit there are short, stocked gun configurations that do not fall under the NFA or require a tax stamp, and that may or may not become a significant mrket once all the ATF stonewalling is done. We will just have to wait and see.
 
I never saw anything from FA that said the Reformation had no rifling. All their ad copy touted the straight rifling as a specific feature. The only thing I noticed is that they did not often mention the little special finned bullets they recommended for for any kind of accuracy past across-the-room distances. I can see someone being miffed about that if they ran out and bought one (or rather tried to buy one) and then learned they needed special ammo to be able to hit a target at the range.

But I don't think that was really the point of the Reformation. The point was to push the ATF to define their terms, which they did:


The ATF had to admit they were out of compliance with the law by having no legal way to approve the transfer of a Reformation to a customer. It seems that there is still a lawsuit out to force the ATF into compliance so that FA can sell the complete firearms. The product line seems to be in hibernation until that is sorted out. Also there seems to be some question as to the legality of the ATFs classification but there does not seem to be any movement on that front, legally speaking. But FA did get the ATF to admit there are short, stocked gun configurations that do not fall under the NFA or require a tax stamp, and that may or may not become a significant mrket once all the ATF stonewalling is done. We will just have to wait and see.
Still a dumb idea. Even more so it the intent was to kick the bear. Trying to force admissions or concessions out of the AFT has rarely worked out in our favor.

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Still a dumb idea. Even more so it the intent was to kick the bear. Trying to force admissions or concessions out of the AFT has rarely worked out in our favor.

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Except it has. We won on the brace issue. It took a long time, but we got there despite all the doom and gloom from the naysayers. And we are making the same progress on binary/force rest triggers.

Kicking the ATF every chance we get is the only way we are going to recoup anything, short of actually repealing the laws.
 
Covering the camera lens and pretending like you are no longer recording while you actually are is a really dick move! As much as I have enjoyed Ian McCollum's videos that bs really lowers my opinion of him.

As far as FA trying to replicate the smooth bore advantages like modern tanks use I can respect that. I don't expect it to work but how do you know until you try? I have wondered about super high velocity smooth bore fire arms myself. Not enough to put any of my money into actually trying it out myself though. Maybe FA will be able to get their hands on some depleted uranium???
 
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Always liked him, this one is moving me solidly into "Fan Boy" territory
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJIR0w_VYr4
That's ancient stuff from many years ago. Surprised you haven't seen that stuff after all these years. It's from back when he was still friends with karl Kasarda who has stated publicly he is a devil worshipper, supports Antifa, is a member of ultra left wing radical shooting groups, and said he is glad to have contributed to the extinction of the white race. Obviously Ian will have nothing to do with him now.
 
As far as FA trying to replicate the smooth bore advantages like modern tanks use I can respect that. I don't expect it to work but how do you know until you try? I have wondered about super high velocity smooth bore fire arms myself. Not enough to put any of my money into actually trying it out myself though. Maybe FA will be able to get their hands on some depleted uranium???
The idea was not to make a smoothbore. Those are defined in law and are covered under NFA barrel length rules. The other thing covered under NFA barrel length rules is twisted rifling that spins a projectile.

What FA did was implement straight rifling which has no definition under the NFA. This means you can have whatever barrel length you want without needing a stamp. And yes, this is materially different than a smoothbore, because in a smoothbore you can sort of get a projectile to spin stabilize by putting the "rifling" on the projectile itself. We can argue about how effective this is, but the fact that you can do it is what matters here. Straight rifling does not allow this at all, and the projectile needs some other form of stabilization to fly straight (or in the case of the Reformation, just have the intended use case to be so close stabilization does not matter).

FA did manage to sell a bunch of SBR type rifles with this loophole before the ATF classified the Reformation as a GCA "short barrel shotgun," not an NFA shotgun (jury still out on if this is even a legal classification, but from what I can tell of the statutory language it probably isn't). Basically you still don't need a stamp, but you do need special transfer paperwork that is not covered with a standard 4473. A form which the ATF has yet to implement, effectively keeping FA from being able to legally sell their new firearm. Legal shenanigans are still ensuing to get the ATF to rectify the issue.
 
That's ancient stuff from many years ago. Surprised you haven't seen that stuff after all these years. It's from back when he was still friends with karl Kasarda who has stated publicly he is a devil worshipper, supports Antifa, is a member of ultra left wing radical shooting groups, and said he is glad to have contributed to the extinction of the white race. Obviously Ian will have nothing to do with him now.
Karl is a tragic figure in the guntuber community. He produces fantastic content free of most biases, including personal politics. No one knew he was a whackjob until his personal socials were leaked, and that was years after he earned a reputation for producing top notch trustworthy and reliable content. This is why Ian partnered with him in the first place. His InRange Mud Test (that he developed with Ian) is still the benchmark for weapon's reliability in adverse conditions (and is still produced on occasion to this day, sans Ian). If you were to watch his content without knowing the controversy you would have no idea he did not hold to the predictable politics and ideology most common to the 2A community.

You only get a big hint of that when you visit his InRange company website, but it does not come off as any more leftist than Operation Blazing Sword/Pink Pistols, which is to say embracing of the "inclusivity" language but otherwise attempting to stay politically neutral. Still weird for a guntuber personality, but kinda gives the vibes of someone wanting to cross the isle and make the 2A a cross party issue. Hell, even some notable hardcore 2A groups offer support and assistance to OBS/PP with instructors and range time. It's not a bad idea to try to make 2A bipartisan as a general principle. Even if I have a problem with someone's overt fetishes and promiscuity that does not mean I think they do not have the right to defend themselves, nor would I deny them access to the training and equipment needed to do so.

But damn, those socials. I think most of them are scrubbed now, but the internet is forever and you can find his most lunatic posts archived all over the place. He is way out there politically to the point where he is a toxic association despite his high quality content. It really is that bad.

Even still, high quality content is high quality content. I am not going to ignore an authoritative dissertation on the STG 44 just because it was written by a NAZI, and when Karl drops a Mud Test I still pay attention. Of course I don't support him or his company financially; ad blockers are still on and he "does not take sponsors" (because who would sponsor that), but the content is still free and still has a tremendous amount of value. And, of course, I will always remember to add how much of a whackjob bubblegum he is when I reference his content, just to make sure no one else gets the idea to support him either.

Will this eventually kill off his ability to produce high quality content? Maybe, but it does seem he has enough far left supporters to keep him going as the content keeps coming out despite the fact that no one I know would every consider sending him a dime. If some hard core leftists want to pay to sponsor content that is extremely useful to me I am not going to turn my nose up to it. At least that money is going towards something worthwhile, rather than bailing out some thug who belongs in prison or to a lobbyist who wants to kill the 2A.
 
Can confirm, they destroyed shot show alright.


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The idea was not to make a smoothbore. Those are defined in law and are covered under NFA barrel length rules. The other thing covered under NFA barrel length rules is twisted rifling that spins a projectile.

What FA did was implement straight rifling which has no definition under the NFA. This means you can have whatever barrel length you want without needing a stamp. And yes, this is materially different than a smoothbore, because in a smoothbore you can sort of get a projectile to spin stabilize by putting the "rifling" on the projectile itself. We can argue about how effective this is, but the fact that you can do it is what matters here. Straight rifling does not allow this at all, and the projectile needs some other form of stabilization to fly straight (or in the case of the Reformation, just have the intended use case to be so close stabilization does not matter).

FA did manage to sell a bunch of SBR type rifles with this loophole before the ATF classified the Reformation as a GCA "short barrel shotgun," not an NFA shotgun (jury still out on if this is even a legal classification, but from what I can tell of the statutory language it probably isn't). Basically you still don't need a stamp, but you do need special transfer paperwork that is not covered with a standard 4473. A form which the ATF has yet to implement, effectively keeping FA from being able to legally sell their new firearm. Legal shenanigans are still ensuing to get the ATF to rectify the issue.
Maybe I'm just overly dense this morning, but I still don't see how FA's development of the stick in the eye Reformation has done anything other than to say "Hey ATF! Take that! We made something that isn't defined by your rules."

How does this benefit gun owners?
 
I want a weapon that does its job exceptionally well. Not a weapon that uses little cheats to fit into a non-NFA loophole to the detriment of performance/accuracy/ergos etc.
 
Maybe I'm just overly dense this morning, but I still don't see how FA's development of the stick in the eye Reformation has done anything other than to say "Hey ATF! Take that! We made something that isn't defined by your rules."

How does this benefit gun owners?
I don't mean to overcomplicate things but as a gun owner, it would benefit me so I could say. "Hey ATF! Take that! I bought something that isn't defined by your rules."
 

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