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Except that's not what people are claiming is the "hoax". They have some idiotic idea that the actual disease doesn't exist, that it was all a government conspiracy.

It IS a real disease. Definitely overblown, no disagreement there. And was there a lot of corruption, false narratives, confusing (and wrong) takes from Fauci, subjugation of rights, oppressiveness, censorship, and hysteria over the disease? Oh yes, definitely agree there. Pfizer alone should have been put under the microscope and sent to a Congressional Hearing at the very least, and especially the media outlets who got sponsored by them. Anytime you sponsor media outlets while trying to find a vaccination should automatically be a red flag, especially if you are getting billions from the government. There was a TON of things that could have been done better, and it NEVER should have been politicized.

But a "hoax"? No, I don't agree with that label. Real people died. My mother has had it numerous times.
No. I had people close to me die. Not from CV19 per se. When they were allowing people to die, Oregon hospitals would only use covid approved remedies and not fight the actual symptoms.

I had covid 2x. Once early 2020. The hospital said stay home and I rode that out. Pre jab, by the way. Luckily later, we knew better and I passed on what they were using and got more options.

This is a horrible stain in our society. I know more people that followed the science and now have these weird illnesses that require exotic and expensive lifetime drugs. More people with cancer. Ruined relationships and living in fear.

America has gone from Slim Pickens in a cowboy hat, riding a nuke to his death to grown bubblegum men scared of their shadow and publicly afraid to speak their minds.

That is the hoax.
 
Kinda like cops arresting people who refuse ID for "obstructing" when they have no RAS/PC to ID, then adding "resisting" when people continue to refuse ID.

Joe
Yes Police coming and taking your guns is exactly like when some Cop stops someone who decides to be belligerent and refuse to cooperate.
This from someone who claims to be a gun owner? Wonder why we keep losing.
 
If I'm walking down the street, and a cop pulls over to question me and check my ID. And I refuse....then he takes my gun because I refuse...we all know I go to jail.

How many gun owners would come to my aid? How many here?

See...that's the problem.
 
No. I had people close to me die. Not from CV19 per se. When they were allowing people to die, Oregon hospitals would only use covid approved remedies and not fight the actual symptoms.

I had covid 2x. Once early 2020. The hospital said stay home and I rode that out. Pre jab, by the way. Luckily later, we knew better and I passed on what they were using and got more options.

This is a horrible stain in our society. I know more people that followed the science and now have these weird illnesses that require exotic and expensive lifetime drugs. More people with cancer. Ruined relationships and living in fear.

America has gone from Slim Pickens in a cowboy hat, riding a nuke to his death to grown bubblegum men scared of their shadow and publicly afraid to speak their minds.

That is the hoax.
YEP! The people who are DESPERATELY trying to pretend they were not made fools out of by the people they support keep throwing stuff like this out. Claiming anyone is saying there was no such thing as Covid. They of course know they are just lying but they are desperate. They can NOT ever admit how badly they were taken. It would be quite funny if not for how scary it is that it will be done again.
 
If I'm walking down the street, and a cop pulls over to question me and check my ID. And I refuse....then he takes my gun because I refuse...we all know I go to jail.

How many gun owners would come to my aid? How many here?

See...that's the problem.
Sadly a LARGE percentage of gun owners have long said they do not think 2A is a "right". They feel it is a privilege. So they of course are getting what they asked for. :s0092:
 
YEP! The people who are DESPERATELY trying to pretend they were not made fools out of by the people they support keep throwing stuff like this out. Claiming anyone is saying there was no such thing as Covid. They of course know they are just lying but they are desperate. They can NOT ever admit how badly they were taken. It would be quite funny if not for how scary it is that it will be done again.
I think many..MANY..people learned from the first lockdown just how far authority figures can go..

I'd imagine it wouldn't work out the same way next time.
 
It is well documented in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina there was looting and mayhem. No one was spared including pharmacies in hospitals that were already incapacitated by flood waters, a lack of supplies, and a lack of response to requests for help. If people really think they are in danger from law abiding gun owners in a time of crisis, they need to think again. When it hits the fan the "have not" criminals will be looking to get their hands on anything they can and won't hesitate to hurt anyone who gets in their way. This guy needs to be held accountable for placing people at greater risk than they already were.
 
It is well documented in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina there was looting and mayhem. No one was spared including pharmacies in hospitals that were already incapacitated by flood waters, a lack of supplies, and a lack of response to requests for help. If people really think they are in danger from law abiding gun owners in a time of crisis, they need to think again. When it hits the fan the "have not" criminals will be looking to get their hands on anything they can and won't hesitate to hurt anyone who gets in their way. This guy needs to be held accountable for placing people at greater risk than they already were.
Someone does. Not sure if the police chief is the one to take the rap. Either him, the city council. Or the mayor. But someone needs to answer for the public notice language.
 
Someone does. Not sure if the police chief is the one to take the rap. Either him, the city council. Or the mayor. But someone needs to answer for the public notice language.
It's easy for me to say, but when you take on certain jobs, you sign on to what comes with it. Example, the Seattle police chief during the CHAZ/CHOP or whatever they called the take over. The mayor made excuses but the chief called it a day and retired.

Not everyone has a financial parachute but if you're doing a job like that, it can't be just the money. Those who take an oath to protect better be willing to protect.
 
How many people who pulled stuff far worse than this were ever voted out of office over it? Almost none.
I'm still waiting for Clinton to be prosecuted for election tampering with the Russia hoax, and Biden and the 51 spooks to be prosecuted for election tampering with interfering in the Hunter Biden Laptop.
 
Hunter Biden Laptop.
Question for you on that laptop, if it was so chock full of incriminating evidence against the Bidens, the Clintons, the Chinese, Zelinsky and IIRC a couple middle east despots, how come literally no one cared that there were something like 5 copies of it floating around unsecured including the copy that Rudy said he had under his pillow to keep it safe. And no, that is not a joke, he really said that. And then 'for reasons' the state police and DA took Rudy's away to examine after he said there was something really really bad on there and they looked it all over and than they just said, "Nope, here you can have it back"
I mean, if you were the head of the Chinese mafia or Hillary or whoever and that laptop could blow all your plans up and land you in jail for life, wouldn't you want to get it back?
And if it really was incriminating, how come the only thing to come of it is MTG showing a full frontal photo of Hunter live on TV on the House floor?
Maybe I'm just not up to speed on all the ins and out of international intrigue, but sure seems to me that if there was anything on there, somebody would want to keep it secret
 
I'm still waiting for Clinton to be prosecuted for election tampering with the Russia hoax, and Biden and the 51 spooks to be prosecuted for election tampering with interfering in the Hunter Biden Laptop.
We who care about our rights, not just 2A, of course know the weaponizing of the justice department will only work one way. All we can do is hope that at every 2 year time to vote maybe we can finally get more of us to care enough to bother to join in. I often feel bad for those much younger than me who may never see what they really lost because so many just did not care. :(
 
Nothing to see here. We were duped. Every so called lobbyist, and every I wont comply group bla bla bla..
(Heard this rant from all those collecting massive cash from all of us for over a decade.)
Have done just that, complied. Have collected our cash and done just that.

If you wonder how does this happen? Simple and has nothing to do with safety or Guns.
It has to do with greed. And every society in history has failed because we all think we can live for ever.
And therefore its what do I get out of it.

I long lost hope in any group, laws, or lobbyist doing anything.
What we have to hope for ( and I am doubtful) is the Military wont back up the call to disarm.
But they will, as the old guard is replaced with the new, and uneducated on what they are actually defend will become in charge. Just like the video. Bet they never saw that coming.

So nothing to see here. Just political junk that means nothing.
 
Nothing to see here. We were duped. Every so called lobbyist, and every I wont comply group bla bla bla..
(Heard this rant from all those collecting massive cash from all of us for over a decade.)
Have done just that, complied. Have collected our cash and done just that.

If you wonder how does this happen? Simple and has nothing to do with safety or Guns.
It has to do with greed. And every society in history has failed because we all think we can live for ever.
And therefore its what do I get out of it.

I long lost hope in any group, laws, or lobbyist doing anything.
What we have to hope for ( and I am doubtful) is the Military wont back up the call to disarm.
But they will, as the old guard is replaced with the new, and uneducated on what they are actually defend will become in charge. Just like the video. Bet they never saw that coming.

So nothing to see here. Just political junk that means nothing.
Don't forget, money usually works. For some reason an SBR or machine gun becomes safer if you pay $200. Further, we on the 2A side just don't pay (or control) lobbyist enough. Our billionaires are stingy. We don't have the equivalent of a Bloomberg or Soros.
 
Don't forget, money usually works. For some reason an SBR or machine gun becomes safer if you pay $200. Further, we on the 2A side just don't pay (or control) lobbyist enough. Our billionaires are stingy. We don't have the equivalent of a Bloomberg or Soros.
Need to convince Elon this is worth fighting for. He'd not miss the cash…
 
Don't forget, money usually works. For some reason an SBR or machine gun becomes safer if you pay $200. Further, we on the 2A side just don't pay (or control) lobbyist enough. Our billionaires are stingy. We don't have the equivalent of a Bloomberg or Soros.
Its wasted money, be better off building a bunker over some lobby or non-comply group.
We probably would have billlions backing us, if we disbanded the NRA, people assume them, and many others actually make a different. NW lobby's have just been spinning their wheels. And collected allot and succeeded at none.
The NRA used to be against Conceal and or open carry. Until they got more investors and wow they just decided it was safer now that we pay dues. As mentioned its all about greed. That is why many anti-gun politicians secretly invest in ammo and firearms. Because they know how to make money off panic.
 
if we disbanded the NRA
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No no they wont. But I prefer a Lo stile italiano myself.

Seriously read the history of the NRA. Most do not and do not understand their antigun stance
and yet are surprised by their silence. Just like many law maker in Oregon Conceal Carry ( this a fact).
There is much most firearms owners are clueless when it come lobbying and the laws. And probably a cause of some loss in rights.
 
I think many..MANY..people learned from the first lockdown just how far authority figures can go..

I'd imagine it wouldn't work out the same way next time.
I would certainly have to HOPE but, so far what I see does not look good. A hell of a lot of people who went along with the hoax are still to this day pretending it did not happen. That so many want to pretend nothing happened scares hell out of me. As in when its tried again, and it will be tried again, will they just go along again? Rights, almost all rights, were just set aside as if they did not exist and no push back? None of the people who were really bad about it were voted out of office? Most were voted back into the jobs. So why would they feel they could not just do it again since they got no push back for the first time around? I am sure we are going to get to see again how the masses will react since it sure whet the appetite for those who long wanted that kind of power and they saw just how easy it was to take it.
 
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