Five Companies That Are Hurting You!

[ZigZagZeke]

5 Most Shocking Companies Hurting YOU! | Oregon Outdoor Council

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[Outdoorxj]

REI is for yuppies, never supported them and never will, they are ridiculously over price. Second that beer sucks I can brew a better batch in my kitchen and third gerber went international and since then, product is not great. Plus I like my spyderco and CRKT!

 

[idahoan]

Knew about REI, didn't recognize or know about the rest.

 

[Mikej]

On ifish recently there was a thread by a long time, esteemed member listing the companies the support the Native Fish Society. The queen bee put an end to it citing the ifish AUP as not allowing boycotts. Sure seems counter productive to a site like that, it should have been considered informational, and people could make up their own minds.

I've never shopped at REI, a tee shirt for $60.00! Not! On the NFS supporter list was Portland nursery. I'm a gardener and buy some from them every year. I'm still eating my potatoes and dry onions from last year. I've recommended Portland Nursery to other people for years, no more though. I sent them an e-mail of my disappointment with them helping to take away my recreation and food gathering abilities.

It really sucks that the "Citification' of our state is making those of us who enjoy outdoor activities, (and I'm NOT talking about sitting at a table on the sidewalk in front of Starbucks) the odd ones!

Mike

I figure there are a few fisherpeople here that appreciate a nice hatchery steelhead or salmon from time to time.

Native Fish Society supporters 2013.

2013 Auction Donors
3cm Stone Inc.
10 Barrel Brewing
900 Wall Resturant
A to Z Wineworks
ADEA Wine Company
Al & Pat Neufeldt
Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe
All Star Rafting Company
Alpacka Raft
Andrew Bennett
Anne Tattam
Arrowhead Golf & Athletic Club
Babine Steelhead Lodge
Bauer Fly Reels
Benton-Lane Winery
Berry & Wendy Chanasyk
Bill Bakke
Bill-Natio Company
Bill & Sara Tattam
Bishops Barbershop
Biwa Restaurant
Brian & Arlene Light
Bruce Hill
C.F. Burkheimer Fly Rods
Chris Daughters
Chris Emerick
Chris O'Donnell
Club Sport
Community Music Center
Conrad Gowell
Criag & Tina Hugshson
Community Music Center
Danny McGinley
Dave Gee
Deneki Outdoors
Deschutes Angler
Deschutes Canyon Fly Shop
Dog River Coffee
Double Tree Hotels
Doug Fir Lounge
Dorothy Toppercer
Doug Campbell
Doug Lee
Doug Robertson
Dove Vivi Pizza
Dr. Slick Co.
Drake Magazine
Dry Fly Distilling
El Burro Loco
Eleni's Restaurant
Enchanted Forest
Eric Neufeld
Farlex Reels
Farmstead Restaurant & Pub
Filson
Finnegan Cider
Fish Head Expeditions
Fish Hook Vineyard & High Hook Wine
Fishpond
Fly Fisherman Magazine
Flywater Travel
Fort George Brewery
Frontier Farwest Lodge
Garden Fever
Garrin Royer
Gerald Amos
Glowing Greens Miniature Golf
GoodLife Brewing
Gorge Fly Shop
Grand Central Bakery
Grand Teton Fly Fishing Shop
Green Trails Maps
Greg Davidge
Greg Higgins
Hair M Grooming
Hatch Restaurant & Bar
Higgins Resturant
High Desert Museum
Hyland Estates
Imperial River Co.
Inn at Spanish Head
InterMedia Outdoors Inc
J.D. Love
Jack & Jennifer Mitchell
Jakob Lund
Jason Hartwick
Jason Koertge
Jeff Hickman
Jim & Kathy Foote
Jim Myron
Joel La Follett
John & Amy Hazel
John Larison Steelheading
John Smeraglio
Justin Miller
Karstetter Rods
Kayak Fly Angler
Kells Irish Pub
Kelty
Ken Morrish
Kenny and Zuke's Delicatessen
Korkers
Lamiglas
Lan Su Chinese Garden
Lange Estate Winery and Vineyard
Lani Waller
Lanning Blanks
Letitia Cutforth
Lilypond
Littleleaf Guide Service
Lisa Hansen
Loren Irving
MAC Club
Magic Waters Patagonia
Mark Chimento
Mark Fuller
Mark Homeyer
Mark Sageser
Mark Stromme
Marty & Virginia Karstetter
Matt Fields
Matt Ramsey
McMenamins
Meiser Fly Rods
Melissa Brown
Michael Bray
Michael James Mathis
Michole Jensen
Mike & Linda Cummins
Mike McCoy
Mike Moody & Ronda Divers
Mirador Community Store
Mother's Bistro & Bar
Music Millennium
Naihma Deady
Nate DeVol
Nate Koenigsknecht
New Renaissance Bookshop
New Seasons Market
Nick Colasurdo
NW Wine Company
OMSI
One Green World
Oregon Historical Society
Oregon Growers & Shippers
Patagonia
Paul & Carol Fortino
Paul Kirsch
PDX Bike Commuter
Peter Donahower
Philippe Boulot
Por Que No?
Portland Japanese Garden
Portland Nursery
Rajeff Sports
Randy Stetzer
Ransom Wine & Spirits
Raven Maps & Images
Red Shed Fly Shop
Richard & Lori Vollmer
Redside Development
Red Shed Fly Shop
Richard Kennon
Reel McCoy Fly Angling Adventure
Rio Products
River Runner Outfitters
Rob Crandall
Rob & Sarah Houston
Robert Meiser
Ron Walp
Royal Treatment Fly Shop
Salmonfly Syndicate
Sasquatch Brewing Co.
Scott Baumer
Scott Nelson
Simpatica
Smith Optics
Standing People Tree Care
Starbucks
Steve Egge
Tactics
Temple Fork Outfitters Fly Rods
The Bahktishop Yoga Center
The Caddis Fly Shop
The Container Store
The Evening Hatch
The Fishwife Seafood Restaurant
The Joinery
Tim Boyle
Tim Gelinas
Tom Bie
Tom Sims
Tracy Buckner
Trader Joe's
Two Dudes Fly Fishing
Wanderlust Tours
Water Time Outfitters
Western Rivers Conservancy
Willamette Valley Vineyards
Yamhill Valley Vineyards
Yvon Chouinard
Z'ivo Wines
Zupan's Market

 

[3MTA3]

Gerber is quite literally a knife in the back, especially as a local company.

REI was great when I joined back in the late 70's, an outdoors co-op that saved its members a lot of money. At the time Eddie Bauer (yes, they once were an outdoors oriented company that outfitted expeditions) had gone yuppie, so REI was the best alternative. I still go there for some things, but feel out of place more often than not. Not because of the store, but because of the customers.

 

[Gunwheeler]

If you shop at Cabela's you should go to their corporate webpage and look up who they make donations to. I choose many years ago not to shop there. They support to many anti-access orgs for my taste.

 

[Dunerunner]

So many to write off the list of stores I patronize. Back to shopping and paying a little extra at the local Mom and Pop!!

 

[duane black]

Gerber is quite literally a knife in the back, especially as a local company.

I still go there for some things, but feel out of place more often than not. Not because of the store, but because of the customers.

Agreed on both accounts. I have been in the Portland store a few times and I feel uncomfortable every time I am in there.

Always liked gerber, they are an Oregon icon.. Sad to see that... I remember as a kid playing with a gerber folder , Portland USA..

 

[44mag2ndamend]

On ifish recently there was a thread by a long time, esteemed member listing the companies the support the Native Fish Society. The queen bee put an end to it citing the ifish AUP as not allowing boycotts. Sure seems counter productive to a site like that, it should have been considered informational, and people could make up their own minds.

I've never shopped at REI, a tee shirt for $60.00! Not! On the NFS supporter list was Portland nursery. I'm a gardener and buy some from them every year. I'm still eating my potatoes and dry onions from last year. I've recommended Portland Nursery to other people for years, no more though. I sent them an e-mail of my disappointment with them helping to take away my recreation and food gathering abilities.

It really sucks that the "Citification' of our state is making those of us who enjoy outdoor activities, (and I'm NOT talking about sitting at a table on the sidewalk in front of Starbucks) the odd ones!

Mike

I figure there are a few fisherpeople here that appreciate a nice hatchery steelhead or salmon from time to time.

Native Fish Society supporters 2013.

2013 Auction Donors
3cm Stone Inc.
10 Barrel Brewing
900 Wall Resturant
A to Z Wineworks
ADEA Wine Company
Al & Pat Neufeldt
Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe
All Star Rafting Company
Alpacka Raft
Andrew Bennett
Anne Tattam
Arrowhead Golf & Athletic Club
Babine Steelhead Lodge
Bauer Fly Reels
Benton-Lane Winery
Berry & Wendy Chanasyk
Bill Bakke
Bill-Natio Company
Bill & Sara Tattam
Bishops Barbershop
Biwa Restaurant
Brian & Arlene Light
Bruce Hill
C.F. Burkheimer Fly Rods
Chris Daughters
Chris Emerick
Chris O'Donnell
Club Sport
Community Music Center
Conrad Gowell
Criag & Tina Hugshson
Community Music Center
Danny McGinley
Dave Gee
Deneki Outdoors
Deschutes Angler
Deschutes Canyon Fly Shop
Dog River Coffee
Double Tree Hotels
Doug Fir Lounge
Dorothy Toppercer
Doug Campbell
Doug Lee
Doug Robertson
Dove Vivi Pizza
Dr. Slick Co.
Drake Magazine
Dry Fly Distilling
El Burro Loco
Eleni's Restaurant
Enchanted Forest
Eric Neufeld
Farlex Reels
Farmstead Restaurant & Pub
Filson
Finnegan Cider
Fish Head Expeditions
Fish Hook Vineyard & High Hook Wine
Fishpond
Fly Fisherman Magazine
Flywater Travel
Fort George Brewery
Frontier Farwest Lodge
Garden Fever
Garrin Royer
Gerald Amos
Glowing Greens Miniature Golf
GoodLife Brewing
Gorge Fly Shop
Grand Central Bakery
Grand Teton Fly Fishing Shop
Green Trails Maps
Greg Davidge
Greg Higgins
Hair M Grooming
Hatch Restaurant & Bar
Higgins Resturant
High Desert Museum
Hyland Estates
Imperial River Co.
Inn at Spanish Head
InterMedia Outdoors Inc
J.D. Love
Jack & Jennifer Mitchell
Jakob Lund
Jason Hartwick
Jason Koertge
Jeff Hickman
Jim & Kathy Foote
Jim Myron
Joel La Follett
John & Amy Hazel
John Larison Steelheading
John Smeraglio
Justin Miller
Karstetter Rods
Kayak Fly Angler
Kells Irish Pub
Kelty
Ken Morrish
Kenny and Zuke's Delicatessen
Korkers
Lamiglas
Lan Su Chinese Garden
Lange Estate Winery and Vineyard
Lani Waller
Lanning Blanks
Letitia Cutforth
Lilypond
Littleleaf Guide Service
Lisa Hansen
Loren Irving
MAC Club
Magic Waters Patagonia
Mark Chimento
Mark Fuller
Mark Homeyer
Mark Sageser
Mark Stromme
Marty & Virginia Karstetter
Matt Fields
Matt Ramsey
McMenamins
Meiser Fly Rods
Melissa Brown
Michael Bray
Michael James Mathis
Michole Jensen
Mike & Linda Cummins
Mike McCoy
Mike Moody & Ronda Divers
Mirador Community Store
Mother's Bistro & Bar
Music Millennium
Naihma Deady
Nate DeVol
Nate Koenigsknecht
New Renaissance Bookshop
New Seasons Market
Nick Colasurdo
NW Wine Company
OMSI
One Green World
Oregon Historical Society
Oregon Growers & Shippers
Patagonia
Paul & Carol Fortino
Paul Kirsch
PDX Bike Commuter
Peter Donahower
Philippe Boulot
Por Que No?
Portland Japanese Garden
Portland Nursery
Rajeff Sports
Randy Stetzer
Ransom Wine & Spirits
Raven Maps & Images
Red Shed Fly Shop
Richard & Lori Vollmer
Redside Development
Red Shed Fly Shop
Richard Kennon
Reel McCoy Fly Angling Adventure
Rio Products
River Runner Outfitters
Rob Crandall
Rob & Sarah Houston
Robert Meiser
Ron Walp
Royal Treatment Fly Shop
Salmonfly Syndicate
Sasquatch Brewing Co.
Scott Baumer
Scott Nelson
Simpatica
Smith Optics
Standing People Tree Care
Starbucks
Steve Egge
Tactics
Temple Fork Outfitters Fly Rods
The Bahktishop Yoga Center
The Caddis Fly Shop
The Container Store
The Evening Hatch
The Fishwife Seafood Restaurant
The Joinery
Tim Boyle
Tim Gelinas
Tom Bie
Tom Sims
Tracy Buckner
Trader Joe's
Two Dudes Fly Fishing
Wanderlust Tours
Water Time Outfitters
Western Rivers Conservancy
Willamette Valley Vineyards
Yamhill Valley Vineyards
Yvon Chouinard
Z'ivo Wines
Zupan's Market

Hey check this out, I emailed Lamiglas and asked for their response this. This is a copy of text from the company. You can call and verify, we need to be active with all the other companies and boycott!

Please see my thread on the Hatchery and Wild, sign the petition and we will get something done. Shut down NFS!



Tim Cook
Feb 11 at 8:37 AM

To

C. R.

Chris, NFS came to Dick the owner or Lamiglas and asked for a donation. He didn't know truth about the organization. So he donated one rod. After the truth was revealed to Dick he wrote them a letter asking them to never contact Lamiglas again. We are against NFS as we see the value of hatchery fish too. Thank you for your concern about the ongoing problem with NFS.



Tim Cook

Lamiglas Inc.

360-225-9436 ext.233

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/fishing/160494-sign-petition-pro-hatchery-wild.html

 

[gallogiro]

Hey check this out, I emailed Lamiglas and asked for their response this. This is a copy of text from the company. You can call and verify, we need to be active with all the other companies and boycott!

Please see my thread on the Hatchery and Wild, sign the petition and we will get something done. Shut down NFS!



Tim Cook
Feb 11 at 8:37 AM

To

C. R.

Chris, NFS came to Dick the owner or Lamiglas and asked for a donation. He didn't know truth about the organization. So he donated one rod. After the truth was revealed to Dick he wrote them a letter asking them to never contact Lamiglas again. We are against NFS as we see the value of hatchery fish too. Thank you for your concern about the ongoing problem with NFS.



Tim Cook

Lamiglas Inc.

360-225-9436 ext.233

http://www.northwestfirearms.com/fishing/160494-sign-petition-pro-hatchery-wild.html

I knew it! So many outdoor stores/companies on that list my first thought is that they are not being truthful when asking for donations.

 

[gallogiro]

Anyone care to explain why Oregon Wild is so evil? I'm not too familiar with these organizations and would like to know.

 

[Swedish K]

Anyone care to explain why Oregon Wild is so evil? I'm not too familiar with these organizations and would like to know.

Many of these groups sound good on the surface - they use terms like " protecting wild lands and fish/game preservation for future generations to enjoy " which sounds great. What they say is misleading to most people, they don't mean increase wildlife numbers to preserve hunting and fishing heritage for future generations or expand wild lands / old growth forest protections so people can go out and enjoy those areas in person, the legislation they back generally seeks to reduce hunting, especially predatory animals like cougars and coyotes which will lead to a net loss in game animals for hunters to harvest. Often the legislation that protects wild lands are meant to keep all people out of the ares so you can not enjoy the areas being protected. Instead of promoting programs that will increase available fish/game/wild lands access they promote the idea that people shouldn't be in the wild at all. They also oppose most logging operations even knowing that sound policies of select harvesting / replanting actually leave the forests more healthy than letting the forests get overgrown to the point that wild fires become huge problems that are hard to control and wipe out wildlife when they do occur. They promote eliminating the renting/leasing of federally owned lands for grazing of livestock and eliminating use of federal and state lands for activities such as hunting, fishing, shooting, and off road vehicle use.
In short, they believe that humans have no place in nature and should all live in big cities and only qualified scientists and "conservators of the land" should ever set foot in the lands owned by the federal and state government.

 

[mkwerx]

I would bet the NFS gives quite a BS line when seeking donations. I fish with everything from a simple pole & line with bait to fancy $500 fly setups. You would be hard pressed to be a fly angler and not deal with some of the companies on that list, and I know that the honchos at some of those places love to fish for non-native fishes, as well as chowing down some hatchery brats. It could simply be that one or two people sympathetic to the cause donated something - it could be that they didn't investigate the true mission and actions of the NFS, or it could very well be true that the donor companies/ceos are whole heartedly in favor of the NFS. Can't quite see how they could be though - with some notable exceptions. If you want to sell much gear to NW fishers, you'll be selling them stuff to fish for hatchery steel and salmon, bass, and a lot of hatchery trout. And then there's the big movement for carp fishing, both with bait rods and fly rods that is catching on in big thanks to the Beaverton based John Montana (pseudonym) of Carp on the Fly blog.

These outdoor product companies need to realize that if they really, actively support groups like the NFS they're going to wind up loosing all their customers. If they are successful in eliminating hatchery produced fish - there will be major backlash by a huge swath of anglers and I will be right there supporting said push. If the final court decision for the Sandy suit is in NFS favor, we need to push ODFW to shut the river down entirely to all angling for all species by all means - not let them turn it into fly only, c&r water which has been a goal of the NFS with other streams in the past, and is likely the target for the Sandy, the McKenzie, and other waters that now host hatchery runs of fish.

After over 100 years of hatchery produced fish in this state, I seriously doubt there is *any* salmon or steelhead swimming that could be considered 100% pure wild strain with 0% genetic material from a fish born in a tank, hatch box, or pond in his lineage.

 

[ZigZagZeke]

Anyone care to explain why Oregon Wild is so evil? I'm not too familiar with these organizations and would like to know.

Groups like Oregon Wild and NFS are the reason a 5 year old can't fish for trout in an Oregon river. Have you ever tried to teach a small kid to fish using ONLY artificial bait? Imagine a 5 year old with a fly rod, or flinging a treble hooked piece of plastic around with a spinning rod. These groups promote elitism. Only "qualified" people who appreciate the "finer" qualities of fishing for native fish should be on the water. The elitism goes even further. They don't want the great unwashed masses to have access to "their" pristine wilderness areas. They want to limit or prohibit public access to public lands. Only "professionals" and amateur "conservationists", like member s of the Sierra Club should have access to these pristine places.

Typically, the supporters and members of these groups either don't actually participate in outdoor activities at all, or they enjoy the public lands as a backdrop for their chosen urban sports. Except for fishing, they don't usually get involved with any kind of activity that involves actually becoming a part of the ecosystem, and making it part of their lifestyle. They're happy to ride their bikes through the woods, or ride their rafts down river, or hike through the mountains, and they think that qualifies them to speak on game and habitat management, when they are only tourists passing through at high speed on any given weekend. They are not like hunters and fishermen, mushroom gatherers, etc. who study the relationships of the plants and animals to human beings and each other, and use that knowledge to augment their food supplies and become part of the natural food chain. Their knowledge and opinions are wide and shallow, whereas the understanding and concerns of real outdoorsmen run deep. They think expensive, high tech equipment takes the place of knowledge and skill. The one thing they have going for them is that they tend to form cohesive groups, which allows them to reinforce each other's ignorance and validate it. Unfortunately, this translates into them being very good at lobbying and pressuring the government, which they look to for the resolution of all problems, personal and public.

 

[PDXSparky]

It should really be no surprise to anyone that REI is on that list. They have never been a "sportsman's" store. For many, outdoor recreation doesn't include hunting and/or fishing.

 

[44mag2ndamend]

5 Most Shocking Companies Hurting YOU! | Oregon Outdoor Council[/QUOTE

Let the WAR DRUM BEAT LOUDER. I am personally thanking every company on that list I would have patronized in now and in the future with a permanent boycott.

I simply tell them due to their actions this is what I will not be doing, SPENDING MY GOD DAMMED HARD EARNED DOLLAR AT THEIR ESTABLISHMENT.

Filson- done
Zupans- done


Next target
Starbucks
Tim Boyle