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Fish antibiotics, and a meds handbook

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by ATCclears, Oct 25, 2013.

  1. ATCclears

    ATCclears Seattle area, WA Well-Known Member

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  2. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    Good info.!! Raising food fish is a challenge in a SHTF situation. Having fresh circulating water without electricity, Oxygenation, Charcoal filters, food, will all be scarce or hard to come by after the grid crashes or if electricity is rationed. I'll stick with chickens and rabbits....
     
  3. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    Antibiotics are already overused, especially in the face of many common infections that can be treated by alternate methods. I used to have a problem with sinus infections until I learned better ways of managing and prevention. The book I would recommend by contrast "Where there is no doctor".
    Books and Resources | Hesperian Health Guides

    I wouldn't depend much on fish anti-biotics post SHTF, mostly because they're already way overused now, and will be useless in the future. Compounds like sulfur powder (also use as an AB for traumatic injury) will be more versatile for treating wounds as the bacteria havn't seen these in 50 years+. Which makes them more valuable in a topical setting. I'm still a big fan of saline for topical injury.
     
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  5. Provincial

    Provincial Near Salem, OR Well-Known Member

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    I hope you meant "sulfa" powder! It was a miracle for battle wounds in WWII.
     
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  6. Sabertooth

    Sabertooth Josephine County Active Member

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    Many meds used on 4 legged critters are used on humans. Saw a book several years ago writen by a doctor on how to use these meds. They must be deluded for use in humans. Checked this out myself by looking in my med kit for my cows and pigs. Sure enough, found the same meds as was perscribe for my kids but at lower dosages. Price?? At the time 1 quart for 10.00 bucks. 10 pills for my kid, 30.00 bucks. Need to sew up a cut, check out your local vet supply store. Yes the stuff is just as sterle as the local hospital stuff and a hell of a lot cheaper.
     
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  7. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Keep in mind that most of those Fish meds come from China, with no FDA oversight or testing for purity.
    Considering that Chinese pet treats kill hundreds of US pets I would rather opt for out dated human meds.
    Of course either way it's a crap shoot.
    This is why Folk Medicine is so popular in Socialist countries, it's the only way to escape the Death Panels (no joke)
     
  8. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    I have, for Thirty Five years, carried Goldenseal (powdered) Herb. Expensive? No, $120.00/# but an ounce is So Much it is quite inexpensive.

    First it is a coagulant, it provides material for blood to clot to.
    Second, it is a natural antibiotic. Clean the wound as best possible, pour a bit on the wound, hold it tight till bleeding stops.

    I have combined its use with "Butterfly Bandages" when not near a doctor. My last self repair was equivlant to a similar cut that required eight stitches, on a Forefinger!!!!

    I have done this for a very serious knife cut, nearly to the bone, for a person who had No Medical Insurance, the process included deeply cleaning the wound, drying it, while elevated, placing the Golden seal upon the wound, pressure upon wound as I Butterflied the finger. Finished off with an Aluminum finger splint, to keep finger stabilized.

    From start to finish, fifteen minutes tops.

    BTW, a great IFAK product to add, is Generic Eye Drops. Keep sealed, until needed. Use: as pressure wash, squirt into wound, several small squirts, it will amaze you for the speed of cleaning. Note, do not use Eye Drops that have any extras in the product, the generic is a simple saline solution, and is sterile, until opened.

    HTH,

    philip
    First Aid training, since 1960, EMT II 1974, living without a nearby doctor deep rural areas... Ten plus years....

    Edited, just before Posting: I carry the GoldenSeal Powder in a half ounce squeeze type bottle made by Nalgene, it provides a great ability to provide control on the application there of...
     
  9. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Please expand on this info; What is Golden Seal, the actual components of the product?
    The eye drops is a great idea
    thanks!
     
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  10. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    yea use fish antibiotics, this will mean i will have a much easier time gathering resources when you have poisoned yourself.
     
  11. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Many Herbal meds have proven medicinal properties it does not take much to make a topical ointment antibiotic, a high or low PH balance (salt, vinegar) will kill most bacteria and any clean powder will aid coagulation to a greater or lessor extent. Internal medicine is where things get tricky.
    Lupine will kill internal parasites, too much Lupine will kill the patient.
    Birch/Aspen bark tea was the foundation of aspirin
    Elderberry tea relieves symptoms of the flu
    Poppies can be used to suppress many symptoms
    there are many resources out there
    but internal infections are beyond most herbal medications
     
  12. BoonDocks36

    BoonDocks36 Oregon, in the boondocks Christian. Conservative. Male.

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    Rather than off the top of my head (For who am I to give out info...) I did a quick research, this will answer many, not all questions.... Special note: second section, note use by American Indians!!!!

    GOLDEN SEAL

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldenseal

    Goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis), also called yellow puccoon, is a perennial herb in the buttercup family Ranunculaceae, native to southeastern Canada and the northeastern United States. It may be distinguished by its thick, yellow knotted rootstock.

    The stem is purplish and hairy above ground and yellow below ground where it connects to the yellow rhizome. The plant bears two palmate, hairy leaves with 5–7 double-toothed lobes and single, small, inconspicuous flowers with greenish white stamens in the late spring. It bears a single berry like a large raspberry with 10–30 seeds in the summer.

    Goldenseal has been ascribed [according to whom?] the following herbal properties (whole herb): bitter, hepatic, alterative, anticatarrhal, anti-inflammatory, antimicrobial, laxative, emmenagogue, and oxytocic.
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    altmedicine.about.com/cs/herbsvitaminsek/a/Goldenseal.htm

    My favorite search engine, is https://ixquick.com free of NSA info gathering!!!!

    HTH,

    philip

    What is Goldenseal? Goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis) is one of the most popular herbs on the market today.

    It was traditionally used by Native Americans to treat skin disorders, digestive problems, liver conditions, diarrhea, and eye irritations.

    Goldenseal became part of early colonial medical care as the European settlers learned of it from the Iroquois and other tribes.

    Goldenseal gained widespread popularity in the early 1800s due to its promotion by a charismatic herbalist named Samuel Thompson. Thompson believed goldenseal to be a magical cure for many conditions. Demand for this herb dramatically increased, until Thompson's system of medicine fell out of popularity.

    Over the years, goldenseal has gone through periods of popularity. There is currently great demand for goldenseal which coupled with limited supply of wild-crafted sources, has driven the price of goldenseal up. Goldenseal is available in nutritional supplement form. It is also available as a cream or ointment to heal skin wounds.

    (Buy it in Powdered form: bulk, from any good "Organic Herbal Store", make your own salve, as needed. i have made a Skin wash, for use on MURS scabs, for a homeless friend, and it saved returning to doctors for prescriptions he could not aquire, for lack of $$$$ he does not live "off the system", philip)

    Other names include: Yellow root, Orange root, Puccoon, Ground raspberry, and Wild curcuma Goldenseal herbal tincture can be used as a mouthwash or gargle for mouth sores and sore throats.

    A tea made of goldenseal can also be used for this purpose Why Do People Use Goldenseal?

    Goldenseal is a bitter that stimulates the secretion and flow of bile, and can also be used as an expectorant. It also has strong activity against a variety of bacteria, yeast, and fungi, such as E. Coli and Candida.

    Goldenseal is used for infections of the mucus membranes, including the mouth, sinuses, throat, the intestines, stomach, urinary tract and ******.

    Side Effects and Safety Goldenseal should not be taken by pregnant women. One of goldenseal's chief constituents, berberine, has been reported to cause uterine contractions and to increase levels of bilirubin.

    Goldenseal should not be used by people with high blood pressure.

    ( referenced to internal use, philip )

    Those with heart conditions should only use goldenseal under the supervision of a health professional. The safety of goldenseal in nursing women, children, and people with kidney and liver disease is unknown.

    Side effects are rare, but include irritation of the mouth and throat, nausea, increased nervousness, and digestive problems. The liquid forms of goldenseal are yellow-orange and can stain.

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