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About 6 months ago I went with a buddy, and all they did was make him put a zip tie through the action. He was able to keep his mags without a problem.
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In Oregon you can justifiably use deadly force to protect life but not property..so its something to think about if your investigating a noise in your backyard verses in your house...every situation is different..the best thing usually is to slow down and take your time..think before you act..alot of times just by waiting and listening you will get more information and figure out whats going on or a better course of action.
prob the best thing is to develope a plan before hand on what your gonna do..then when and if it happens your not gonna be taking time trying to figure out a plan. you'll all ready have one.
and get a really good flashlite..it makes a world of difference
You sure about that last? My understanding is that even with a CHL you still can't open carry in MC. You must carry concealed.
-Brian
I actually tried to contact the Tri-Mess ( intentional miss-spell ) Legal Department about this last year. I couldn't get through to anyone that would admit being in the department, but it was obvious that the person I was talking to was being coached by them. She actually stated that she had spoke with someone in Tri-met Legal and that the following was their "policy" : ...... Tri-Met forbids all but Law Enforcement to carry on any of their property, moving or not. This comment was extended to include CHP's.
[/B] When I mentioned that I no longer felt safe having my wife ride on Tri-met due to the recent rash of passengers being assaulted, she went in to a montra about "we cant have everybody carrying guns on our equipment" and then attempted to use the mall shootings and Virginia Tech as justifications for that position.
It was at this point that I realized that I was not going to get anything but a neurotic response from Tri-met and hung up.
Then having no other way to vent, I called the "Lars Larson" show on KXL. Lars confirmed my belief that Tri-met policy cannot trump state law. But where does that leave us ? Filing in court ? .......Lets face it folks, we are headed at warp speed towards a totalitarian state mentality with, " the change ", especially where gun owner rights are concerned. Going public and trying to stir up a hornets nest will probably just make things worse than they already are. For me and mine, you just do what you have to do, trying to " do the right thing " out in the open, with those now in control will just get your time wasted or worse, loose you the few liberties you may still have.
I guess this makes me sound pretty negative, but to me it looks like the rule book has changed.
Hello Trismn.
The Metro Security guard, (He seems to be at most of the Portland / Vancouver shows) is trying to make a point The old saying " say it rough and they will remember it" applies here. They have been confronted with countless people who have no idea of proper firearm handling. I suppose you cant blame them, I doubt you would appreciate it either if you were constantly presented with loaded, chambered and even cocked firearms.
I've taken the time to hang back in the gun show line to just watch what goes on at the front gun check table. Its shocking to observe just how many boneheads go in there who will hand them a chambered semi-auto, like they are handing a gas station attendant a credit card. ( or worse, stand directly in front of them and fumble with a piece trying to pull back a loaded action while the muzzle is pointed at the poor guard ) I know it would piss me off, and I doubt I would use the composure these guys do.
The simple truth is, while they technically dont have the authority to sieze personal property (ammo / mags ) as security guards, they do have the authority to deny access, as representatives of the property holder. I always go in there with my carry weapon, you just need to remember your good manners and take the ammo / magazine out and lock the action open before you get to the gun check table.
On my wall is a certificate that I signed. I am looking at it right now. I held up my hand and swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. It hangs next to a copy of said constitution. I dont take that as a joke. I believe that the only thing a man has that truely his own is his honor. no one can take that away from you. you can only give it up. call it corny or stupid or old fashion I dont care. Its how I was raised and its one of my core beliefs.
I didn't realize OR had a law requiring people to tell a LEO that they were armed? WA doesn't I know.or people who are CCW holders and armed at the time I contacted them..not tell me they are carrying and not tell me they have a CCW until after I asked them if they have any weapons on them.
I didn't realize OR had a law requiring people to tell a LEO that they were armed? WA doesn't I know.
I have been told that if I am stopped by a police officer on a routine traffic stop I MUST immediately tell him that I have a CHL and a gun. Is this true?
No. There is no law, statute, administrative rule or ordinance that requires this. Many "instructors" tell their students there is, or that it would be a "courtesy." But it is NOT required. In fact, we have heard from many people who DID tell police who stopped them that they had a CHL and found themselves dealing with very hostile cops who considered it a threatening gesture. ( Some states, like Ohio DO require this. In fact in Ohio it's a felony not to. Just plain nuts.)
However, most police don't know what the law is and many of them believe, mistakenly, that you must tell them. Those police are wrong. To hear two Portland police officers discuss this (right before the first officer on the audio told a person who he stopped that he was going to have his license revoked) click here. The two officers on this audio don't know what they are talking about. But the the first cop says that the person who he stopped gave him "a lot of lip." That's because the person he stopped knew more about the law than the cop did.
There's no such law in OR.
Oregon Firearms Federation | FAQ's. A Gun Owner's Guide In The Beaver State
I would never think of riding a bus or max without some sort of gun or weapon on me[/QUOTE
I agree if there was ever a place you should carry this would be it.
exactly why I don't push the law at times... Yes we may be right and lawful in our actions, but piss off the cop proving him wrong, and he will find something to nail you on. Slim chance we are 100% within the law.I know that open carry - may be legal - but a LEO can still cite you with a disturbing the peace. Sad that so many LEOs are paranoid of Legal law abiding CHL holders. - (Nevertheless while you can obey the letter of the law - but where the is a will - more than like another law or regulation can be found to charge you. )
While this is true, why create a surprise for the officer, he has hard enough job as he is stopping my car with tinted windows, on a dark night... Nothing to hide, nothing to worry.There's no such law in OR.
Oregon Firearms Federation | FAQ's. A Gun Owner's Guide In The Beaver State
Basically it's not our worry if we're open carrying and we have a permit to do so you're not breaking any laws so just because you're causing them an inconvenience doesn't mean that you're doing something wrong or that you shouldn't be doing it everybody has the right to do what they want to do but there is consequences but just simply stating that you don't know why anybody would open carry I don't think you tried it yet I live in one of the bad parts of Gresham and I open carry every night on my way home from work every time the sun's out every time I go to a convenience store now the thing is you got to have a retention holster that's the only concern I have with open carry but other than that it's not our issue with something that they have to deal withwhy anyone would want to open carry is beyond me....esp a CCW holder...not in todays day and age..speaking from a police officers perspective..every liberal drone citizen who sees you is going to call 911 reporting "a crazy man with a gun" in the street, on the train, in the mall or in a park. the police are gonna contact you..you may get guns pointed at you..you may get handcuffed..if you wanna prove a point great..but dont get all upset if this happens...
I dont know you. I dont know if your normal or nuts. all I know is your armed and what the dispatcher tells me..people lie..they make stuff up..they embelish..esp to 911..so the police will get there faster..you may have a gun in your holster..chances are the call to 911 will be that your waving the gun around and yelling..that changes everything in the responding officers minds and how they handle things.
I dont want to jack up a law abiding citizen..so get a CCW and carry your gun concealed. then no one knows your armed including the bad guys unless you want them to know.
I carry a gun everyday at work and its in plain view..I have to always protect my firearm where ever I go..Im trained in how to retain my firearm if someone tries to take it from me and I am constantly thinking that..so much it becomes second nature...by carrying a gun in plain veiw you are putting that gun out there to be taken from you..when your standing at the urinal or in line at the fast food place or sitting on the bus/train.
bad guys are masters at sizing people up and taking advantage of opportunities..if you think that by carrying a gun on your hip no one will try to take it from you..please wake up
but the big thing is...when you carry a gun in plain view you give away your number one advantage..surprise
and I dont go anywhere in the city esp max without a gun and some form of non-leathal weapon..(pepper spray, Kuboton, or the like)
Basically it's not our worry if we're open carrying and we have a permit to do so you're not breaking any laws so just because you're causing them an inconvenience doesn't mean that you're doing something wrong or that you shouldn't be doing it everybody has the right to do what they want to do but there is consequences but just simply stating that you don't know why anybody would open carry I don't think you tried it yet I live in one of the bad parts of Gresham and I open carry every night on my way home from work every time the sun's out every time I go to a convenience store now the thing is you got to have a retention holster that's the only concern I have with open carry but other than that it's not our issue with something that they have to deal with