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Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by GunnyG, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. GunnyG

    GunnyG The Highlands Active Member

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    The Constitutional Right To Bear Arms Has Outlived Its Usefulness ? IQ2 Debates

    Wednesday, 13 November 2013 20:41
    posted by DaveG
    I am a retired Marine. I can read. I understand our duties under both the federal and state constitutions:

    A reasonable person can take time to read and come to understand the impetus for the second amendment, as well as section 24 of WA's (my home) state constitution, which like 43 other state constitutions, is to prepare our nation and state to fight (and win battles) in armed combat against an enemy.

    Currently, there really isn't another kind of rifle would better fulfill the intended use of the 2nd amendment but an AR-15/M4 type, and Beretta M9 type pistol, in exactly the configuration, and with all of the accouterments, as used by servicemen in their duties and qualification, and civilian Service Rifle and Pistol competitors at Camp Perry.

    Among the many lawful users of the subject rifles, and all of their accessories, you will see our guardsmen and reservists, and active duty military , out of our own pocket, on our own time, supplementing the 5 days a year of range time for qualification, with practice on our own.

    Active duty and NG troops get their arms, and ammo from the governing bodies that budget and direct their use. The second amendment affirms the individual ability to train and equip our citizens for self defense and then also duty in the unorganized militia, in accordance with 10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute and 10 USC § 312 - Militia duty: exemptions | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute , We all have corollaries to these at the state levels, like in RCW 38.04.030: Composition of the militia. where governor may call up the state's unorganized militia under RCW 38.08.050: Governor may order out unorganized militia.

    However, he is only responsible for training and equipping the organized militia, as evidenced by RCW 38.20.050: Small arms ranges.
    "Under the direction of the governor, the adjutant general shall, at the expense and in the name of the state, buy or lease, establish, equip, maintain and control such small arms ranges and issue such ammunition, transportation and supplies as may be necessary to provide each unit of the organized militia of Washington with adequate means and opportunity for thorough instruction in small arms”.

    Even if the state had the means to arm every 18 + year old male or female citizen that could possibly be called up, it would be useless to do so without them (us) receiving adequate training, which won’t be possible under the exigent circumstances that would require a call-up of our unorganized militia. So we continue to do this, on our own.

    Any other lawful use that we have for firearms is an ancillary benefit of the natural right of self preservation, and those statutes all affirm and utilize that ability, to ensure that we can also respond to threats to our community. "
  2. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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  3. Tbucket

    Tbucket Olympia,Wash. Active Member

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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    When will the idiots ever learn.
    We really need a new Australia (the kind the British founded)
  5. simon99

    simon99 Central Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Semper Fi
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  6. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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  7. 44mag2ndamend

    44mag2ndamend Round the ole tree stump, Down by the crick Well-Known Member

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    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    With 98% voting against it in the online poll!

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    "Having a gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have it you may never need it again"
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  9. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner You'll Never Know Well-Known Member

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    The debate was between 4 libs who don't care for the 2A to begin with. The online voting is their anchor in reality, should they choose to dock to it! :rolleyes:
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