Finally taking on the Education System Long Past due.

[One-Eyed Ross]

Anyone that can home school a kid has my respect.

I do believe that the kid has to be strong enough to be an 'outcast' though in that case. Missing out on the constant and subtle hive programming and repeated illogical BS that means repeated 10,000x times becomes truth.

Imagine a kid doing a report on why 9/11 was a lie as an essay in a public school. The kid would be mowed over, humiliated, and shunned although he is the rational/logical one and all the others are the deluded and deceived drones.

Depends on the location, really, for both parts of your post.

I know a state champion wrestler that was a four year letterman who was a home schooled kid. Competed in athletics for the high school, was well respected by his peers and the staff. He was an Eagle Scout, leader on and off the foot ball field, and a great wrestler.

Also, having spent a great deal of time in the high school for various reasons (both as a volunteer and a parent) I can say that some of the teachers would have approved of the essay about 9/11, as long as it was well written and researched. Not that they would have necessarily agreed with the conclusions, but would have enjoyed the essay as a teaching tool. Teaching is about challenging students to THINK, in a lot of cases. (One of the reasons Latin was taught for so many years, it teaches logic and thinking).

But, hey, that's just my experience with one high school. My experience with another high school in the state wasn't so good...but that might be the difference between a rural (better school) and urban (not so good school).

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Anyone that can home school a kid has my respect.

I do believe that the kid has to be strong enough to be an 'outcast' though in that case. Missing out on the constant and subtle hive programming and repeated illogical BS that means repeated 10,000x times becomes truth.

Imagine a kid doing a report on why 9/11 was a lie as an essay in a public school. The kid would be mowed over, humiliated, and shunned although he is the rational/logical one and all the others are the deluded and deceived drones.

I underwent that in public screwl. I was the good grades/smart pretty boy all the bullies picked on. Made me a top fighter at a young age and taught me much about human nature

Trials only make you stronger if you got sand

 

[U201491]

I underwent that in public screwl. I was the good grades/smart pretty boy all the bullies picked on. Made me a top fighter at a young age and taught me much about human nature

Trials only make you stronger if you got sand

I underwent that in public screwl. I was the good grades/smart pretty boy all the bullies picked on. Made me a top fighter at a young age and taught me much about human nature

Trials only make you stronger if you got sand

Yeah, kinda sad. I watch my grandkids and what they learn about handling life and it makes me kinda sick. They are making a batch of whimp robots. We work with the little ones and try to let them get a bump or bruise or two playing, but the momma is a total lib and molly coddles them to an extreme. We let them play in the mud so to speak and she wont even let them sit in the grass :-/
Most kids today are learning to be hoods or whimps. No middle ground. I remember speanding most of my growing up years with either a rifle or a fishing pole in my hand. Out in the canyons and hills and that began at around age 8 or 9 and spent days outcamping with other kids. Folks never worried. Now these kids cant hardly go a block without running into some damned gang banger druggie.
I think we had also had an education by high school to a higher level than some college grads have.
I hope there is a way to fix this country without rivers of blood, but that looks less probable every day.
Pretty damned sad state of affairs that we all let it get this far out of control. I know damned well we have a lot of people with backbone.
Many are war weary, but still have a strong love for our country. Connecting them all is a big job not many are doing. The left organizes well for destruction, but the right needs to organize for restoration and cant seem to get that part accomplished and time is running out. How do you get a million or two to assemble to accomplish a task ? Can you imagine the impact of even one million converging on the senate, congress and Whitehouse. It would knock them all off their high horse. A good first step in taking the country back.
3 million would be just 1% of the people..........................................

 

[U201491]

The one rifle is more of a minimum suggestion rather than a maximum.

And given the large number of families these days that don't own a firearm nor take the time to be responsible for their own protection, suggesting every family in America own at least one rifle is a starting point. Not necessarily the end goal... sorta like how Bill Gates once envisioned a computer on every desk in every home in America...

Glad to hear that. Thanks for clearing that up, and yes you are correct about taking responsibility for oneself and ones family's safety.
No one else will or is obligated to.
Thanks

 

[U201491]

Hey Taku... long post, I read the entire thing, and for the sake of brevity, I parsed it to just this one quote right here. If you think 80% of the modern education is rotten and needs to be reversed, how are YOU, yes you, working to change that? I say that not to be a jerk, but because I believe we can spend all day ranting about the things wrong with education in the US. Trust me, as a person who's working inside the system at the moment, I probably have much larger list than you do of things that I see that are going wrong.

I'd like to think that as gun owners, we already subscribe to a belief of positive action and self-reliance - so what are you doing personally to work with young people and ensure a respect of our 2A rights to the next generationi?

One thing that I'd also like to talk about - you mention the alternatives of home schooling, charter schools, faith-based schools, etc. Those are all solutions for *some* people, but large numbers of Americans can't afford to home school (need a parent at home), or pay the tuition to many faith-based schools. Both of these kinds of schools also have the HUGE disadvantage of removing kids from learning how to interact with other kids who may or may not be like them - public education should be the foundation of our American democracy, where kids learn that despite our many different backgrounds and beliefs, we are part of this amazing country and we bear the collective responsibility of contributing something to keep it functioning.

Charter schools are a "hot topic" in education, and while I believe there are some promising ideas/methods that charters can pilot, charters are NOT a silver bullet to solving our education woes. Depending on the state rules, charters can be owned by a non-profit group, who then is allowed to hire a FOR-PROFIT corporation to run the school. Charters also have a reputation of being highly selective about the students they choose to educate - kids with special needs or challenging circumstances frequently get denied admission to charter schools while public schools are mandated (rightly so) to educate every child who comes through our doors. We can't blindly apply business models to schools simply to save money - are we going to start "firing" students because they're blind or autistic? Or that odd kid with Asperger syndrome, whose parents are just as spacey as she is? Are we going to deny her chance at an education just because her parents didn't register for the lottery?

I guess my last response is that it's hugely unfair to blame the current culture of "everyone's a winner" or mass ignorance solely on teachers. Parents / families are the first teachers of students, and judging by observations of trends my kindergarten colleagues have observed, students are coming to school terribly unprepared for school - you have kids that can't write their own name, or even respect adult authority. I've had parents call me to complain that their kid isn't doing the homework, or worst, make excuses for why their kid failed the math test. It's easy, Mrs. So-and-so... HE/SHE NEEDS TO STUDY HARDER IN CLASS AND ACTUALLY COME TO SCHOOL READY TO WORK. If a vast Marxist/Communist conspiracy exists in our society, it's not rooted in schools. The problems of self-entitlement and laziness have been endemic in our society, and it starts at home.

Good reply and I will respond, but tonight, i have been writing letters to our Sens and reps and ending a days work. Seriously tired and tomorrow is the friday of my 3 day retirement workweek.... :-/
Will respond Tomorrow night or Monday when I don't fall asleep at the computer.

 

[U201491]

Many points to start.

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And the artist of education subversion is supported by obama. It is why we have so many brainwashed anti gun idiots out there.
They can never complete their plan as long as America is armed and willing to defend the Constitution.

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[salmonriverjohn]

All it takes is for young adults to be taught a certain thought process and they will pass it to their own children. As an example, during the 70's and 80's a mind set of no logging began to permeate among the collage elite who were teaching those that were destined to become teachers themselves. Cutting bad, loggers bad, earth first and on and on. Little did they realise (in their eminent, all knowing wisdom) that the very bases for public education in monetary funding and resources lay in the taxes paid by and for the very product and industry they targeted. And hence, A great sustainable, renewable resource was crushed into almost non-existence. Taxes upon all of us to pay for education and PERS retirement have reached monumental proportions of the state budget, counties have become "welfare" dependent that were once independent and strong, and unemployment has reached record highs in this state. Now ask yourself why?

Please forgive me this rant, as I had stated earlier in a post that we had drifted far from the original post, just don't tell me that it doesn't start in the classroom, because it can, and does. As shown in this example, noses can be cut off, just to spite the face.

 

[U201491]

All it takes is for young adults to be taught a certain thought process and they will pass it to their own children. As an example, during the 70's and 80's a mind set of no logging began to permeate among the collage elite who were teaching those that were destined to become teachers themselves. Cutting bad, loggers bad, earth first and on and on. Little did they realise (in their eminent, all knowing wisdom) that the very bases for public education in monetary funding and resources lay in the taxes paid by and for the very product and industry they targeted. And hence, A great sustainable, renewable resource was crushed into almost non-existence. Taxes upon all of us to pay for education and PERS retirement have reached monumental proportions of the state budget, counties have become "welfare" dependent that were once independent and strong, and unemployment has reached record highs in this state. Now ask yourself why?

Please forgive me this rant, as I had stated earlier in a post that we had drifted far from the original post, just don't tell me that it doesn't start in the classroom, because it can, and does. As shown in this example, noses can be cut off, just to spite the face.

Right on target. The education system was used as a tool, and still is by the hardcore left to accomplish their diabolical goals.
Many communities and lives destroyed because of them but that is just the tip of the iceberg. It is now the destruction of our republic they are aiming at.

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[U201491]

They want to give this kid a year in jail over an NRA tee shirt then tried to put a gag order on everyone so no one would know.

http://www.wowktv.com/story/2267452...eporter-covering-story-threatened-with-arrest

 

[salmonriverjohn]

They (the teacher, principal ,arresting officer) now have their proverbial tit in a ringer.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Yeah, kinda sad. I watch my grandkids and what they learn about handling life and it makes me kinda sick. They are making a batch of whimp robots. We work with the little ones and try to let them get a bump or bruise or two playing, but the momma is a total lib and molly coddles them to an extreme. We let them play in the mud so to speak and she wont even let them sit in the grass :-/
Most kids today are learning to be hoods or whimps. No middle ground. I remember speanding most of my growing up years with either a rifle or a fishing pole in my hand. Out in the canyons and hills and that began at around age 8 or 9 and spent days outcamping with other kids. Folks never worried. Now these kids cant hardly go a block without running into some damned gang banger druggie.
I think we had also had an education by high school to a higher level than some college grads have.
I hope there is a way to fix this country without rivers of blood, but that looks less probable every day.
Pretty damned sad state of affairs that we all let it get this far out of control. I know damned well we have a lot of people with backbone.
Many are war weary, but still have a strong love for our country. Connecting them all is a big job not many are doing. The left organizes well for destruction, but the right needs to organize for restoration and cant seem to get that part accomplished and time is running out. How do you get a million or two to assemble to accomplish a task ? Can you imagine the impact of even one million converging on the senate, congress and Whitehouse. It would knock them all off their high horse. A good first step in taking the country back.
3 million would be just 1% of the people..........................................

We may be the last generation/s that can save the USA... did you know 9 million gathered nationwide for the big 2009 tea party? 5,000 at Olympia. I was there with my posse. Some signs said : "We came unarmed, this time" (My posse were armed..)

 

[U201491]

That's quite the bubble you live in.

Public schools are PUBLIC, not private. If you want your flavor of religion taught, send your child to a private school or take them to church. As for the Darwinism piece, natural selection is but a small part of the science curriculum. BTW, just what is it you think those "Darwinistic teachings" are.

Have you looked at the sex ed program for the schools in your area? Any idea what is taught and when? How about what state law has to say about content? Are you suggesting that teachers are instructing five-year-olds in the fine art of coitus? If not, then be specific about your complaint.

Yes there are idiots who are taking the actions referred to in number 3. It's a small number of idiots and they make the news because their actions sell papers and get viewers. Should I assume that gun owners everywhere are irresponsible because there are deaths due to improper gun storage and handling practices?

The rest is just more clueless screed.

Back to the OP, did the student have his rights violated? Yes. Is this generalizable to the nation's public schools as a whole? No.

Why is it all your posts are directly criticizing everyone on the forum. I looked at your profile and couldn't find any that didn't ?

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[206thsense]

Somebody kicked some sense into folks (probably in no small way because of media coverage) and ALL charges have been dropped. Good for the family; better for the kid.

A criminal record for wearing a t-shirt to school would have been frakin' ridiculous.

Criminal charge against 8th grade student arrested after NRA T-s - WOWK 13 Charleston, Huntington WV News, Weather, Sports

 

[U201491]

Somebody kicked some sense into folks (probably in no small way because of media coverage) and ALL charges have been dropped. Good for the family; better for the kid.

A criminal record for wearing a t-shirt to school would have been frakin' ridiculous.

Criminal charge against 8th grade student arrested after NRA T-s - WOWK 13 Charleston, Huntington WV News, Weather, Sports

That is great. A lot of people including us made that story go viral. The DA and Judge were coming off as tyrannical fools.

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[Jamie6.5]

I find soooo ironic, that the people that operate schools have so consistently adopted a "zero tolerance" policy on the subject of guns, toy guns and gun friendly apparel.

Considering that "zero tolerance" is a complete NON-THINKING policy, and the basis for throwing out any semblance of rational thought, and represents a complete abandonment/avoidance of civil discourse.

And yet, the people that question these policies, (and others that civic leaders and school administrators come up with,) are the ones that get labeled as "nuts" and "extremists," "flat earthers," knuckle-draggers" and "neanderthals."

Yeah right!

 

[salmonriverjohn]

Come on jamie,, were all supposed to get a winners trophy aren't we? I mean the great Hilary Clinton said "it takes a village" remember? What a cow she is, that one should have been sent to the renderers a long time ago. Political correctness is destroying this country, and that female dog started it all, at least thats the way I remember it.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Conform or be targeted... that is the message I get.. and it does not sit well

 

[Jamie6.5]

Come on jamie,, were all supposed to get a winners trophy aren't we? I mean the great Hilary Clinton said "it takes a village" remember? What a cow she is, that one should have been sent to the renderers a long time ago. Political correctness is destroying this country, and that female dog started it all, at least thats the way I remember it.

Well, what can I say John.
Other than, I don't think you'll be diagnosed with Alzheimer's anytime soon!

 

[206thsense]

I find soooo ironic, that the people that operate schools have so consistently adopted a "zero tolerance" policy on the subject of guns, toy guns and gun friendly apparel.

Considering that "zero tolerance" is a complete NON-THINKING policy, and the basis for throwing out any semblance of rational thought, and represents a complete abandonment/avoidance of civil discourse.

And yet, the people that question these policies, (and others that civic leaders and school administrators come up with,) are the ones that get labeled as "nuts" and "extremists," "flat earthers," knuckle-draggers" and "neanderthals."

Yeah right!

It's not much different than regular society, when you think about it. We have mandatory minimum sentences for criminal justice laws.

Most of the "zero tolerance" policies have come about because of litigation/liability. Many schools also have emergency expulsion policies if a child gets caught bringing something dangerous to school. Unfortunately, many schools don't the difference between real danger (a gallon of gas + lighter, loaded gun) and faux danger (t-shirt, swiss army knife).

 

[U201491]

Another example of why the socialistic/marxist left wants to destroy our Constitution.
The only thing that can stop it is the second amendment if people have the courage to use it.
ITS ALL ABOUT CONTROL, CONTROL, CONTROL AND THEY CANNOT CONTROL A FREE and ARMED SOCIETY IF WE DON' T ALLOW IT !

DOJ: Governments can punish homeschoolers
http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/07/doj-governments-can-punish-homeschoolers/

Instill the beliefs of the founders and the true importance of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights into your Children before its too late.