FINALLY! A bolt action in 5.7x28!

[bradsteen]

I am convinced. I would get the pistol with the brace. And then later order a rifle barrel in a different caliber?

I think the pistol would give me about .22 Mag velocities from factory ammo. I could reload the cartridge down to .22 LR velocities. The 27gr 5.7 ammo would give me .17 HMR 20 gr velocities. Reloads could theoretically give me subsonic or super sonic .22 LR velocities.

If they come out with a 5.56 chambering, then that would be great too - not sure if possible, but I would certainly want it if made available.

Wish the NFA wasn't so dumb. Something like this as a smoothbore for a lighter shotgun gauge would be pretty nifty.

 

[Nosferatu]

This begs to be chambered in 9mm Flobert.

 

[quneur]

View: https://youtu.be/qj32V--Y958?feature=shared

I think he has a winner. As a survival rifle/pistol in a small center fire caliber.

I wonder how awkward it would be firing having to pull back the hammer before firing. If using it as a brush gun it has to be put into a ready to fire condition quickly as opposed to being out in the open where there's more time.

When I used to do a lot of upland bird hunting, it was open fields but had only a few seconds before the bird was out of range. So, walking around cradling the shotgun, I had my finger or thumb on the safety just in case the dog missed one.

 

[Lazyfaire]

Found the pistol for $304

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I think he has a winner. As a survival rifle/pistol in a small center fire caliber.

I wonder how awkward it would be firing having to pull back the hammer before firing. If using it as a brush gun it has to be put into a ready to fire condition quickly as opposed to being out in the open where there's more time.

When I used to do a lot of upland bird hunting, it was open fields but had only a few seconds before the bird was out of range. So, walking around cradling the shotgun, I had my finger or thumb on the safety just in case the dog missed one.

If .22lr velocities is wanted there are hundreds of variations of .22 on the market in every conceivable shape and size. No need to go through the work of loading a different cartridge down to 22lr specs. Also no need to have individual manipulation between shots. One example is any .22 target gun with universal brace and there are a gazillion more .22s that could be used (Fe lightweight custom 10/22).

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• ilikegunspdx
• May 14, 2023

Also as a pistol or carbine existing guns woudl do the job much better. Fe a Glock 22 in .357 sig w/ brace is more portable, proven system, just as accurate, probably much more reliable long term, has capacity of 17-33 rounds, no need to manipulate the gun in between shots, and has almost twice the power of a 5.7. Cost would also be less if buying le trade in ($279) and we all know how easy to customize if desired. Either of these braces are lightweight and going from "takedown" configuration to in-use is very fast. Also could use standard holsters to carry the gun. Substitute any pistol in desired caliber for the .357 sig example and it most likely can use the same brace.



Also many braces exist that are similarly very portable and quick to deploy Fe:

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jan 30, 2024

 

[Wombat of Doom]

And this is why you shouldn't let your vz61 have an orgy with an ar15 and a chiappa break barrel and an fn 5.7.

I think I will just stick with an encore break barrel in 5.7.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

While it's technically possible to reload for the 5.7x28, too many sources on the internet seem to advise against it for multiple reasons. It's unfortunate as it's a great little round that can deliver pretty devastating power. If it wasn't for the reloading issues, I likely would have gone that route instead of the 22 TCM.

I can get it to cycle and function. I can't get reasonable groups out of a semi auto.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

@MDDM the video shows the bolt operation from the left side. It looks like it's only available in lefty operation. (edit - too slow on post)

Why not just simply go this route instead. Great caliber (22 TCM) and you're actually able to reload for this caliber. Ballistics gel testing is generally favorable or equal to the 5.7x28. They also make it in a tactical stock (but to me looks ugly...but not quite as the one in the OP). The rifle mag holds 5 but will take the pistol version mag which holds 10. Only $450. Bonus - ammo, while proprietary, is fairly cheap at around $43 per 100 rounds (nickle plated) and readily available for purchase.

M22 TCM BA 22TCM 5rd

The M22 TCM BA rifle is a small game hunter's dream, capable of delivering a 40gn projectile over 2800 feet per second out of a 22.75" barrel.

www.armscor.com

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.22 tcm is also relatively easy to reload well. While sadly, my loads are not as accurate as the armscor (mine were quarter sized groups at 100, the armscor was dime sized) it's easy to get good results.

 

[The Heretic]

And this is why you shouldn't let your vz61 have an orgy with an ar15 and a chiappa break barrel and an fn 5.7.

I think I will just stick with an encore break barrel in 5.7.

The thing about an Encore is the cost.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

The thing about an Encore is the cost.

well I got a 5.7 barrel made by match grade machines on ebay dirt cheap. I believe I got my 16.25 threaded and fluted on ebay for under $200. It was a fluke. Now a new barrel would set me back around 455 without the fluting. (I am looking to add an 8.6 Blackout and cost is the same) Ebay has always been a bit of a cheap place to get barrels from time to time, pending it is a caliber you want.

I love having a gun that is a 30.06 with irons one day, a 5.7 with a scope, and then a 450 raptor with a scope and pretty much anything I want. It is 2 screws and a pin and I am off to the races. Mine usually hangs out with one of mine as a big bore and the other a relatively mild .30 cal.

 

[PommyB]

.22 tcm is also relatively easy to reload well. While sadly, my loads are not as accurate as the armscor (mine were quarter sized groups at 100, the armscor was dime sized) it's easy to get good results.

Armscor must have upped their game! I had to go through three of their rifles before getting one with an acceptable bore, but all had visible with the naked eye tool marks. I love the .22 TCM as a rifle cartridge, but the RIA bolt action platform was/is not up to the task in my opinion. With reloads I was lucky to get 2-3" groups at 100yds, factory ammo was worse, plus they caused sticky bolt operation. I had a Ruger No.3 that I've had kicking around for a while converted to TCM & it gives me 3/4" groups at 100yds with Nosler 40gn Varmageddon bullets & Accurate 1680 powder. I'm going to have the Armscor/RIA rifle converted to 9mm Parabellum.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Armscor must have upped their game! I had to go through three of their rifles before getting one with an acceptable bore, but all had visible with the naked eye tool marks. I love the .22 TCM as a rifle cartridge, but the RIA bolt action platform was/is not up to the task in my opinion. With reloads I was lucky to get 2-3" groups at 100yds, factory ammo was worse, plus they caused sticky bolt operation. I had a Ruger No.3 that I've had kicking around for a while converted to TCM & it gives me 3/4" groups at 100yds with Nosler 40gn Varmageddon bullets & Accurate 1680 powder. I'm going to have the Armscor/RIA rifle converted to 9mm Parabellum.

I am not running an armscor rifle but their ammo out of a match grade machine barrel has been great. I have been able to get dime sized groups. I can do that with a bipod and 2 rifles. An encore and my 17hmr ruger bolt gun. I wish I could do that with more guns.

 

[PommyB]

I am not running an armscor rifle but their ammo out of a match grade machine barrel has been great. I have been able to get dime sized groups. I can do that with a bipod and 2 rifles. An encore and my 17hmr ruger bolt gun. I wish I could do that with more guns.

Aha, that makes more sense. The Armscor ammo used to lock up my rifle's action due to too much pressure & primer flowing into firing pin hole! The RIA .22 TCM rifle's action is basically the same as that used in their Squires Bingham Model 1500 .22 Magnum from the 1970s, just adapted to centerfire.
My Ruger No.3 in .22 TCM is the only rifle that I can reliably get sub-MOA groups with, but I shoot mostly vintage & antique guns anyway.

 

[quneur]

If .22lr velocities is wanted there are hundreds of variations of .22 on the market in every conceivable shape and size. No need to go through the work of loading a different cartridge down to 22lr specs. Also no need to have individual manipulation between shots. One example is any .22 target gun with universal brace and there are a gazillion more .22s that could be used (Fe lightweight custom 10/22).

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• ilikegunspdx
• May 14, 2023

Also as a pistol or carbine existing guns woudl do the job much better. Fe a Glock 22 in .357 sig w/ brace is more portable, proven system, just as accurate, probably much more reliable long term, has capacity of 17-33 rounds, no need to manipulate the gun in between shots, and has almost twice the power of a 5.7. Cost would also be less if buying le trade in ($279) and we all know how easy to customize if desired. Either of these braces are lightweight and going from "takedown" configuration to in-use is very fast. Also could use standard holsters to carry the gun. Substitute any pistol in desired caliber for the .357 sig example and it most likely can use the same brace.

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Also many braces exist that are similarly very portable and quick to deploy Fe:

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• ilikegunspdx
• Jan 30, 2024

The 5.7 fits a compromise when considering survival cartridges. It has more velocity/energy than the rimfires and is smaller than the .17 Hornet. If I'm carrying a .22LR, my main usage for it is mainly hunting and less for protection. With 5.7, also for hunting but more assurance for protection against small/medium size predators. I'll be compromising amount of rounds I could carry for better protection.

Survival is a fun thought experiment: Trying to race a sudden heavy snow storm home and losing. Stong winds blowing trees down on the roads and trails while foraging for edibles. Or looking for a secret hidden shooting pit when a 30 year old wheel bearing decides to give up its silence and starts screaming like a racoon in heat and attacting unwanted attention.

 

[The Heretic]

The 5.7 fits a compromise when considering survival cartridges. It has more velocity/energy than the rimfires and is smaller than the .17 Hornet. If I'm carrying a .22LR, my main usage for it is mainly hunting and less for protection. With 5.7, also for hunting but more assurance for protection against small/medium size predators. I'll be compromising amount of rounds I could carry for better protection.

Survival is a fun thought experiment: Trying to race a sudden heavy snow storm home and losing. Stong winds blowing trees down on the roads and trails while foraging for edibles. Or looking for a secret hidden shooting pit when a 30 year old wheel bearing decides to give up its silence and starts screaming like a racoon in heat and attacting unwanted attention.

If SHTF, I will always be carrying a centerfire semi-auto pistol with defensive ammo on my person at all times. I have a Five Seven and plenty of ammo for it and a rifle:

1050 5.7 195lf 27 gr
1700 5.7 198lf 27 gr
1600 5.7 fmj 40 gr
6350 5.7 197sr vmax
50 ss196sr

Each of those would/could serve a different purpose in a single shot hunting rifle.

I would probably get some of the new defensive ammo by CCI and others too - but not a lot of it.

But I have other hunting rifles, including a Savage 24 in 20g & .223, some bolt and lever actions in various calibers suitable for hunting everything from squirrels to moose. A 5.7 takedown bolt action would probably go in a GHB (along with a defensive gun) if I was traveling.