Felons and Firearms

[dmancornell]

You are confusing regulation with decimation. Big difference.

1.) You can still travel anywhere you want. Faster and in more comfort than ever before.

2.) You can still buy a machine gun or a suppressor without "grovelling".

3.) You can buy all the gold and silver you want. No one is going to tell you that you can't. There are commercials on television every 15 minutes from literally dozens of outfits who will be more than happy to sell it to you, and have it shipped right to your front door.

4.) You have always had income tax since 1915. If you're paying 30% on your earnings, I strongly suggest you consult a tax professional about tax deferred investments.

5.) You have never been able to buy, possess, or smoke dope legally in your lifetime, and most likely never will simply because the majority of Americans do not want drugs legalized.

6.) Name one person you know the government has "murdered".

Again you have proven how far people will in fact reach to try and prove these totally abstract points. You have over 600 people employed as lawmakers in this country. So yes, you have more regulation. That is not "decimation". Custer's Army was "decimated" at Little Big Horn.

Don't try to compare that to you wanting to smoke dope and get high in your living room. Which incidentally you cannot presently do legally in any country on this Earth. All your "examples" do is prove how you will live the rest of your life in this country totally unhappy with it. Seriously, if I felt that way, I would leave. Why do you stay and subject yourself to all of this terrible torture?

1. Nice dodge on the TSA. Since people who refuse to be molested are not allowed to fly, not much of a "right" is it?
2. LOL, the grovelling peon says he isn't grovelling. How quaint.
3. Monetary gold, not just gold. There's a difference.
4. You said, stuff I could have done before I was born. That time period includes time prior to 1915.
5. Yeah well many Americans like to watch American Idol too, who cares? Since when did the government have a right to tell me what substance I can or cannot ingest in my home?
6. Read the linked article and find out. That you can ask whom the US government has murdered without a sarcasm tag is truly astounding.

Regulation of a right is worse than decimation of a right, it is outright elimination. Do you even see the difference between a right and a privilege? 600 lawmakers whose sole purpose is to take power from the people and delegate it to the government (hence, removing rights and creating privileges), and here you are defending their actions because rights are merely "abstract points". Spoken like a true slave.

By the way, the last time I visited Holland I was able to legally acquire and smoke some very nice hash in my hotel room without the Dutch cops bashing down my door. Which is why I plan on visiting again very soon, it is refreshing to breath the air of freedom once again.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Elaborate as to how the Second Amendment has been "decimated"? I was born in 1952, long after the Gun Control Act of 1934, and well before the Dodd Bill of 1968. I can still purchase and own any weapon now, that I could before either of those two pieces of legislation were passed. Including full auto weaponry, short barreled rifles and shotguns, as well as suppressed weapons. Even destructive devices are fully obtainable up to and including 20 MM Anti Tank Cannons.

So I ask again to please explain all of this "decimation" you speak of. Again please be very specific as it IS quite relative.

A right cannot be regulated or eliminated. Tell me where you can go to buy a newly manufactured machine gun, RPG or grenade launcher, AP pistol ammunition, etc.. you can't, and the prices of the few that were grandfathered in in 1986 are sky high, taking them out of the reach of many/most citizens. This was the intent of the law, to deprive us of more liberty piece by piece, nibble by nibble, as tyrants are wont to do

Shall not be infringed is an absolute.. and they have crossed the line. And I am not even going to mention the other vast infringements of our other liberties that are listed in the bill of rights, (not to mention the unenumerated liberties) others can and will do so I am sure

 

[dmancornell]

If an individual cannot afford something they want, that is not the governments fault. If you're going to b!tch about the government driving up the cost of machine guns, why aren't you praising them for causing housing to be cheaper than it has ever been in decades? It was the governments direct involvement with the banks, which forced them to loan money to idiots who couldn't pay it back, which in turn collapsed the housing market. This has caused some of the best buys in our lifetime in the real estate market. It's 2 way street. You can't only play one side.

Hmmm, a Colt M16 that cost $1600 before 1986 suddenly became $16000 because of government reduction of supply, that is somehow not the government's fault? That's a good one LOL.

Way to go full stupid on the real estate market example by the way. Your so-called "best buys of our lifetime" are nothing more than price normalization post-government-bubble, i.e. those "best buys" are what we would have been paying all along if the government didn't fubar the market. I certainly didn't want the government to interfere with the market to begin with... care to explain how that is "playing one side"?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

If an individual cannot afford something they want, that is not the governments fault. If you're going to b!tch about the government driving up the cost of machine guns, why aren't you praising them for causing housing to be cheaper than it has ever been in decades? It was the governments direct involvement with the banks, which forced them to loan money to idiots who couldn't pay it back, which in turn collapsed the housing market. This has caused some of the best buys in our lifetime in the real estate market. It's 2 way street. You can't only play one side.

As I just explained when Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 act that banned future import or manufacture of machine guns, it WAS the government's fault the prices skyrocketed, just as it was the feds intent in 1934 to curtail machine gun ownership with an outrageous (back then) $200 tax stamp and absurd application process for what is a RIGHT. Get real!

 

[Blitzkrieg]

And how exactly does this equate to you? You are insinuating in some abstract fashion, that because a distant relative was somehow involved in a historic battle, this somehow makes you more "patriotic" than the next guy. If my great grand pappy was a Sicilian mobster, does that increase the likelihood I'll whack my next door neighbor if his dog craps on my lawn?

DNA of men matters just as it does in dog and horse breeds. If a man's ancestors were Loyalists back then it very likely they would be pro fed now, and if a man's ancestors fought for liberty it's a good bet that man would fight for it today. Types run true

So where were your ancestors then? Mine fought, bled and even died to create what has now been nearly destroyed, and since I believe I will see them in the future I hope I can say I did no less when the time came

 

[billt]

1. Nice dodge on the TSA. Since people who refuse to be molested are not allowed to fly, not much of a "right" is it?

When have you ever had a "right" to fly? If you feel it is just too burdensome to do so, then don't. No one is forcing you.

2. LOL, the grovelling peon says he isn't grovelling. How quaint.

I'm not getting your point? If you want a machine gun, there are plenty of them for sale. If you cannot afford one, that is not my, or the governments problem.

3. Monetary gold, not just gold. There's a difference.

As I said, if you want gold, all you want is avaliable for sale, just like machine guns. It appears your issue is money not regulation.

4. You said, stuff I could have done before I was born. That time period includes time prior to 1915.

If you are so unhappy with your current tax rate, you have two choices. Move to tax differed investments, or else move out of the country. Good luck finding one where you can earn as much, and be taxed so little on it. I'm assuming Mitt Romney earns far more than you. I don't hear him b!tching. You're paying too much, plain and simple. That's not the governments fault. Get a better accountant. 30% sounds like you need one!

5. Yeah well many Americans like to watch American Idol too, who cares? Since when did the government have a right to tell me what substance I can or cannot ingest in my home?

Watching American Idol is legal, illegal drugs are not. If you don't like that arrangement, then get the laws changed. Good luck. I suggest you move to Holland if it suits your desire for drugs better. Send me a picture of the windmills and dikes.

6. Read the linked article and find out. That you can ask whom the US government has murdered without a sarcasm tag is truly astounding.

More petty whining to prove an absurd point. With all of the things and diseases out there that can end your life, I'll leave you to worry day and night about the government doing it. Jesus Christ you can reach!

Spoken like a true slave.

That is your opinion. I enjoy every day of my life having more freedom now than I did just 30 years ago. I have more money. I can carry a weapon concealed or open without a permit, and I can purchase one without a background check or a waiting period, and walk out the door in about the same time it takes to pick up my dry cleaning.

As I said You hate the government. You hate the drug laws. You hate your current tax rate. You hate traveling at airports. You worry about being murdered by the government. Here is my suggestion to you.

1.) Move somewhere where you can just walk on an airliner without any checks or curtailment what so ever.

2.) Make sure they sell cheaper legal machine guns to their citizens as well.

3.) Be sure they allow all the dope and drugs your little heart desires.

4.) Be sure they have no income tax so you can keep every cent you earn.

5.) Be sure they won't "enslave" you with any laws you do not approve of, which seems to be just about any at all. Please inform us of this paradise when you get there so we can all get high, go untaxed, buy cheap machine guns, and walk briskly on to our waiting flights. And be sure they get American Idol on cable! If that is an unattainable arrangement, perhaps your doctor can determine if Zoloft is right for you.

 

[billt]

DNA of men matters just as it does in dog and horse breeds. If a man's ancestors were Loyalists back then it very likely they would be pro fed now, and if a man's ancestors fought for liberty it's a good bet that man would fight for it today.

Then grab your flintlock and Git-R-Done boy! The socialists are coming!

 

[rur862]

If an individual cannot afford something they want, that is not the governments fault. If you're going to b!tch about the government driving up the cost of machine guns, why aren't you praising them for causing housing to be cheaper than it has ever been in decades? It was the governments direct involvement with the banks, which forced them to loan money to idiots who couldn't pay it back, which in turn collapsed the housing market. This has caused some of the best buys in our lifetime in the real estate market. It's 2 way street. You can't only play one side.

For you perhaps it has resulted in the "best buys of our lifetime," but for most people the creation and subsequent collapse of the government created housing bubble led to foreclosure, unemployment and liquidation of retirement-savings. For many others still it has resulted in being underwater on their mortgage, so far in debt that it would take years of blood, sweat and tears to pay off their illusory debt.

You can't credit the government for creating the housing bubble, it was one of the most damaging epochs in American history.

Well maybe if you believe the government should be able to decide who owns firearms you can...

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Then grab your flintlock and Git-R-Done boy! The socialists are coming!

They are already here and I call troll. You display a shocking lack of respect for those who have valiantly gone before us

It won't be a flintlock and I have no problem doing it again

 

[dmancornell]

When have you ever had a "right" to fly? If you feel it is just too burdensome to do so, then don't. No one is forcing you.

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all.

Key phrase: assertable against governmental action.

I'm not getting your point? If you want a machine gun, there are plenty of them for sale. If you cannot afford one, that is not my, or the governments problem.

I already addressed your moronic claim in a post which you failed to answer, scroll up and read it.

As I said, if you want gold, all you want is avaliable for sale, just like machine guns. It appears your issue is money not regulation.

No the issue is regulation of money, i.e. the right to private property which is explicitly stated in the Constitution. You're either stupid or trolling. Probably both.

If you are so unhappy with your current tax rate, you have two choices. Move to tax differed investments, or else move out of the country. Good luck finding one where you can earn as much, and be taxed so little on it. I'm assuming Mitt Romney earns far more than you. I don't hear him b!tching. You're paying too much, plain and simple. That's not the governments fault. Get a better accountant. 30% sounds like you need one!

The federal income tax is unconstitutional, therefore it is the government's fault that it is violating the Constitution. If you can be bothered to watch the video that has been linked, you wouldn't say such idiotic things.

Watching American Idol is legal, illegal drugs are not. If you don't like that arrangement, then get the laws changed. Good luck. I suggest you move to Holland if it suits your desire for drugs better. Send me a picture of the windmills and dikes.

Once again bowing down to the government. It is so pathetic how you unquestioningly obey the law without any consideration simply because it exists and you are totally incapable of thinking for yourself. And yet you claim to be free. What a joke.

More petty whining to prove an absurd point. With all of the things and diseases out there that can end your life, I'll leave you to worry day and night about the government doing it. Jesus Christ you can reach!

Apparently the implications of a government that has declared its right to murder anyone without any due process is merely an "absurd point" to you. I'll let that speak for itself.

I guess I shouldn't really expect any intelligence from a guy who thinks Bushmaster rifles are just as good as Colt and Noveske, but you managed to outdo yourself in this thread. Enjoy your crappy rifles and delusions of freedom.

 

[billt]

They are already here and I call troll. You display a shocking lack of respect for those who have valiantly gone before us

Yeah, well it goes with the territory when your silly enough to try to convince people on the Internet you're "bred from fightin' stock".

 

[billt]

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all.

Key phrase: assertable against governmental action.



I already addressed your moronic claim in a post which you failed to answer, scroll up and read it.



No the issue is regulation of money, i.e. the right to private property which is explicitly stated in the Constitution. You're either stupid or trolling. Probably both.



The federal income tax is unconstitutional, therefore it is the government's fault that it is violating the Constitution. If you can be bothered to watch the video that has been linked, you wouldn't say such idiotic things.



Once again bowing down to the government. It is so pathetic how you unquestioningly obey the law without any consideration simply because it exists and you are totally incapable of thinking for yourself. And yet you claim to be free. What a joke.



Apparently the implications of a government that has declared its right to murder anyone without any due process is merely an "absurd point" to you. I'll let that speak for itself.

I guess I shouldn't really expect any intelligence from a guy who thinks Bushmaster rifles are just as good as Colt and Noveske, but you managed to outdo yourself in this thread. Enjoy your crappy rifles and delusions of freedom.

THEN LEAVE IF IT'S SO DAMN BAD! Who's twisting your arm to stay in a place you think is so damn unfair, and the government is treating you so horribly? You're a glutton for punishment. :huh:

 

[billt]

For you perhaps it has resulted in the "best buys of our lifetime," but for most people the creation and subsequent collapse of the government created housing bubble led to foreclosure, unemployment and liquidation of retirement-savings. For many others still it has resulted in being underwater on their mortgage, so far in debt that it would take years of blood, sweat and tears to pay off their illusory debt.

Who forced them to overpay for property with money they had no business borrowing in the first place? Just because a bank is willing to loan you money, doesn't mean you have to take it. The last thing to appear on the bottom of the last page of a home mortgage is your signature. You shouldn't put it there if you think the deal stinks.

It isn't the governments fault they were stupid enough to think it was never going to end. It did, and they lost. Every good market is followed by a bad one.

 

[dmancornell]

THEN LEAVE IF IT'S SO DAMN BAD! Who's twisting your arm to stay in a place you think is so damn unfair, and the government is treating you so horribly? You're a glutton for punishment. :huh:

Dimwit argument. If the government exists to serve the people, why should people who dislike government overreach leave?

Of course if you believe in the supremacy of the state, then your argument would be consistent with your beliefs. But you'd still be an idiot.

 

[billt]

Dimwit argument. If the government exists to serve the people, why should people who dislike government overreach leave?

Of course if you believe in the supremacy of the state, then your argument would be consistent with your beliefs. But you'd still be an idiot.

Look no mind, you're the one who's dissatisfied, not me. You're the one who's b!tching and moaning every chance you get, how horrible the government is, not me. If the government isn't "serving you" to the degree of a$$ kissing you would like, then go find one that will. You wouldn't stay with your wife if she was sticking it up your a$$ every 5 minutes, why are you staying in a country that you seem to think is?? I'll bet if you can stomach going through airport security, you can even get a seat next to Alec Baldwin. You're worse than a broad on the rag who thinks "she has a right to b!tch!"

 

[rur862]

Who forced them to overpay for property with money they had no business borrowing in the first place? Just because a bank is willing to loan you money, doesn't mean you have to take it. The last thing to appear on the bottom of the last page of a home mortgage is your signature. You shouldn't put it there if you think the deal stinks.

It isn't the governments fault they were stupid enough to think it was never going to end. It did, and they lost. Every good market is followed by a bad one.

The government distorted the market to such a degree that it would have been folly NOT to buy a house. The federal government systemically led people to believe: 1) that they could afford to buy a home, 2) that a house was an investment that could only go up in value, and 3) that paying rent was a waste of money when you could over-leverage your assets to buy a house.

Government policy during the boom years artificially raised the price of housing; those who were unable to "flip" before the collapse were stuck with a mortgage which reflected the false (government induced) price of their homes.

If the federal government had followed the Constitution, which exists to limit government power, they never would have had the ability to bring about false market conditions in the first place.

Of course, we know that according to you the Constitution is just more "Ron Paul blather."

 

[Blitzkrieg]

THEN LEAVE IF IT'S SO DAMN BAD! Who's twisting your arm to stay in a place you think is so damn unfair, and the government is treating you so horribly? You're a glutton for punishment. :huh:

I am not going anywhere, I am planning on eliminating those who would steal my freedom OR deporting them based on their behavior. Deal with it, statist, troll or commie person..

 

[billt]

I am not going anywhere, I am planning on eliminating those who would steal my freedom OR deporting them based on their behavior. Deal, with it, statist, troll or commie person..

As I said, load em' up and Git-R-Done big guy! You're just impressing the hell out of me!!

 

[billt]

The government distorted the market to such a degree that it would have been folly NOT to buy a house. The federal government systemically led people to believe: 1) that they could afford to buy a home, 2) that a house was an investment that could only go up in value, and 3) that paying rent was a waste of money when you could over-leverage your assets to buy a house.

Government policy during the boom years artificially raised the price of housing; those who were unable to "flip" before the collapse were stuck with a mortgage which reflected the false (government induced) price of their homes.

If the federal government had followed the Constitution, which exists to limit government power, they never would have had the ability to bring about false market conditions in the first place.

Of course, we know that according to you the Constitution is just more "Ron Paul blather."

The government distorted nothing. You had a bunch of idiots who over borrowed money they had no chance of paying back, run out and buy anything and everything they could get their hands on. The result was they artificially inflated the market by over paying for real estate with borrowed money. When it inflated to the point it could no longer be sustained with wild speculation and paper purchasing, it collapsed. The same thing would happen if you gave every neighborhood kid on the block $100.00 and sent them to Toys-R-Us. Do you think they would shop for value, or buy everything they saw?

The government had nothing to do with this. The same thing happened to the stock market in 1929. Too many people with borrowed money got involved in a market they had no business being involved with in the first place. The result was the same, total collapse. Stock prices plummeted because the market was full of paper that had no real value. People with money moved in and became the next generation of millionaires. The same will happen in the housing market in the next years to come. Money talks and bull$h!t walks. Every time, all the time.

When you have idiots putting zero down on $300,000.00 homes that were worth $100,000.00 what the hell did they think would happen? A suburban home would be worth $1.2 million in ten years? This is what happens when over borrowed idiots infest a market. Now banks want 20% down with sterling credit. People with money will have it, and the idiots will go back to the 1 bedroom apartments and trailer parks where they belong.

 

[Burt Gummer]

It will 'kill' with sheer planned incompetence.

Government really doesn't care about whether people live or die; it cares about its own power and preserving that power.

When the economy collapses, there will be little or no help for the starving masses. Since gov is supposedly there to look out for the general welfare of the people I guess it would be defined as negligent homicide, as opposed to murder. Of course, as in Katrina and other examples, it is never eventually held accountable or are any changes made. That is because we don't matter.

I would be in the camp that says once a person does the time, they should have their 'rights' restored (I didn't used to think that way). We all know that if a felon is released and wants to go out and commit a crime with a gun he/she is not going to care whether having the gun is against the law anyway.

Our government is about as corrupt as it gets in every way, so I say anything that empowers individuals - especially knowledge - is all good vs handing more and more of our lives over to what is essentially the mob.