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Feds Hold-Up Police De-Militarization

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by erudne, Oct 1, 2014.

  1. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Federal Bureaucracy Holding Up Police De-Militarization
    By Robert Farago on October 1, 2014
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    Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Or, indeed, bureaucracy. Case in point: the stymied post-Ferguson move to ditch MRAPs, “tanks,” full-auto rifles and other Pentagon provided kit. First, the good news [via motherjones.com]: “Law enforcement agencies across the country have quietly returned more than 6,000 unwanted or unusable items to the Pentagon in the last 10 years, according to Defense Department data provided to Mother Jones by a spokeswoman for Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), who has spearheaded a Senate investigation of the Pentagon program that is arming local police.” What was a trickle is becoming a rush. And no wonder. While the ex-mil toys cost pennies, the upkeep is not insignificant – especially for small town cop shops. Now the bad news . . .
    Some agencies have found the process of getting rid of unwanted military gear next to impossible. Agencies can’t return or trade equipment without Defense Department approval, and because the Pentagon technically still owns the equipment, they can’t sell it.
    According to interviews with state officials running point between the Pentagon and police, the Defense Department prefers to leave equipment in circulation whenever possible. “It’s a low-cost storage method for them,” says Robb Davis, the mayor pro tem of Davis. His town is trying to shake its MRAP. “They’re dumping these vehicles on us and saying, ‘Hey, these are still ours, but you have to maintain them for us.'”
    A more malevolent read of the “no returns” policy: the feds are leaving “loaned” equipment in the hinterland so they can access the mil-spec stuff to quell civil insurrection. But again, it sounds more like your basic government SNAFU.
    A Defense Logistics Agency spokeswoman says that law enforcement agencies are free to return equipment as long as they complete the right paperwork. She adds that certain pieces of equipment, such as night vision goggles, require extra certification to return. As examples of what might cause the Defense Department to reject a return, she lists only two: incorrect paperwork, and lack of that extra certification.
    In reality, however, police departments may find the returns process slow, mystifying, or nonfunctional. Online law enforcement message boards brim with complaints that the Pentagon refuses to take back unwanted guns and vehicles—like this one, about a pair of M14 rifles that have survived attempts by two sheriffs to get rid of them.
    “The federal government is just not interested in getting this stuff back,” says Davis Trimmer, a lieutenant with the Hillsborough, North Carolina, police department.Trimmer has twice requested permission to return three M14 rifles that are too heavy for practical use. But the North Carolina point person for the Pentagon insists that Hillsborough can’t get rid of the firearms until another police department volunteers to take them. Police in Woodfin, North Carolina, are facing the same problem as they try to return the town’s grenade launcher.
    TTAG tipster Tom S. reckons a fire sale is the answer. Anyone fancy a slightly used grenade launcher or an M4?
    More likely the Pentagon will figure out a way to take receipt of the unwanted full-auto rifles, MRAPs and other ex-mil gear, and park it all in a gigantic warehouse in Roswell, New Mexico (a few aisles over from the Ark of the Covenant). Leaving the central question unanswered: who’s going to disarm the USDA? I really fancy a sub-machine gun, even if it is .40-caliber. But please don’t ascribe that desire to malice – if you know what I mean.​
     
  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    They can't use them if they don't have them, guess they still see a use for them.o_O
     
  3. Kevinkris

    Kevinkris Aloha Well-Known Member

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    the police stations could just return the dry shaft by letting them rust in the yard. why not just keep them locked up and stop maintaining them? i guess just too many heads stuffed up too few asses.
     
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  4. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Same ol backwards bs thinking that beaucrats live by.

    But then again the feds probably don't trust the black killin civilian force.
    How can the feds take over the socialist country when they are giving military vehicles to the small time police.

    All that stuff is just wasted millions/billions in tax payer money
     
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  5. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I guess the alternative would have been for them to destroy that equipment, or let it sit somewhere and rust away - which the military has done many times before.

    It didn't occur to me that the military might be using this program to disperse the equipment throughout the country in a way that would mean it would be there and ready to use - but it kind of makes sense now that you mention it.

    The fact that they are allegedly resistant to taking it back supports that premise and if so, then that is worrisome.
     
  6. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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  7. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The Feds don't want it back because they want additional funding for new toys.
    Ever see military spending decline in the never ending war footing we are now trapped in?
     
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  8. evltwn

    evltwn Gold Hill Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I love the idea of cops having an overwhelming edge over bad guys. You haters would be the first to agree if it was YOUR family in peril. Besides, I hope all LEOs go home safe at end of shift. The bad guys? They can call the ACLU.
     
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  9. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    The good guys. Hmm.....You mean the same good guys that open up on a pickup truck that contained 2 elderly women because a dangerous fugitive was also driving a pickup truck (of different make and color) and didn't even bother to verify their target(s).

    How about those good guys that dress up all in black or camo (which is soooo useful in an urban or suburban area) and play ninja warriors where it would be a lot less dangerous to perform their job if they did it like it was done before every department had to have a SWAT.

    What does SWAT stand for anyway? I think that S is for steroids and AT must be Attack Team, but I have not figured out the W........ Is it Warrior?
    Must be; Steroid Warriors Attack Team seems to fit perfectly.
     
  10. evltwn

    evltwn Gold Hill Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  11. evltwn

    evltwn Gold Hill Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I stand by my comments. Are there bad cops? Sure. But unless YOU are willing to respond to a total strangers aid 24/7, I will call 911, while you bubblegum and moan.
     
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    What has an MRAP done for cops that they couldn't do already? If you don't see the overuse of SWAT and no knock warrants you aren't paying attention. Or like fascism.
     
  13. Tangent123123

    Tangent123123 Battle Ground Active Member

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    Speaking of military waste.


    $500M worth of US-bought planes destroyed by Afghans, sold as scrap for 6 cents a pound



    Sixteen military transport planes bought by the United States government for the Afghan Air Force (AAF) at a cost of nearly $500 million were recently destroyed by the Afghan military and sold for scrap parts at around six cents per pound, prompting a government inquiry to determine why millions of taxpayer dollars were wasted on the ill-fated program.
     
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