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FBI seeking names of people using LDS food storage facilities

Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by Scrammer, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. Scrammer

    Scrammer SW Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Oath Keepers Alert: Federal Agents Demand Customer Lists From Mormon Food Storage Facility
    Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Later Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

    This incident was confirmed by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand's report:

    "A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.



    This event points to a new level of federal government encroachment on the basic freedoms of the American people. Likewise, it points to a confused policy within federal agencies. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) recommends that citizens store emergency supplies, including bulk food, in the event of a natural disaster or man-made event (the new politically correct term applied to a terrorist attack). The FEMA guidance is spot-on as it allows individuals and families to be self-sufficient during an emergency situation.



    And here in Tennessee, we just learned that Nashville Metro Public Health and the Tennessee Department of Health are conducting "door-to-door assessment of disaster preparedness ... using a tool designed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to go door to door and check to see how disaster ready you are. .. in 30 neighborhoods in Davidson County [TN] that have been randomly selected to be the target of a door to door assessment." I have confirmed that that is a state run effort.

    So on the one hand, government agencies both state and federal are urging you to be prepared and even checking up on you to see how prepared you are, and on the other hand, we now have federal agencies that are attempting to gather information on individuals that are following FEMA suggestions. What is the reasoning behind gathering this information? Are American citizens now being "listed" by DHS if they are simply following FEMA guidance and purchasing bulk food and emergency supplies for their families? It appears as so.



    This should be a red flag to all Americans. Not unlike the "trip wires" identified in the Oath Keepers list of orders that will not be obeyed, this incident should be considered as further evidence that our federal government is out of control. What business is it of the government if any of us purchase and store bulk food? Answer: It is none of their damn business! Maybe during the next Katrina-type event federal agents will storm your home to take your food stores along with your firearms. We can only theorize as to the motives of the government for this type of "list" being developed, but it goes against the very fabric of what a free people should allow by our government." - Rand Cardwell.

    Additional comments by Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers:



    As Rand noted, it was fortunate that this particular cannery does not keep records of its customers. And Rand is correct that this is a very serious red flag. There's a very good reason why one of the top ten orders that active duty Oath Keepers will refuse to obey is "We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies." As our Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey goes on to state:



    "Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.



    Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people."



    If those who carry out such orders to confiscate food are enemies of the people, then that same label also fits anyone in the government compiling lists of Americans who store food. There is no legitimate reason for the Department of Homeland Security to compile such lists. Al Qaida suicide bombers are not known to store powdered milk and buckets of wheat. Nor are they known to store away dehydrated carrots and instant potatoes, or fruit punch mix for the kids. But the Mormons are known to do so, and so are many other Americans who have the common sense and maturity to take personal responsibility for ensuring that their families will have food, come what may.



    It is part of Mormon Church religious doctrine to store food for hard times and emergencies, with a recommendation that each family store a year's worth of basic dry goods along with three months worth of store-bought canned and boxed foods. To facilitate that practice, the Mormon Church runs its own food storage canneries selling powdered milk, wheat, flour, rice and beans, sugar, salt, and various other dry goods either in bulk 50 lb bags or in #10 cans for long term food storage (up to 30 years for some items). These Church canneries also often sell food storage items to non-church members, seeing it as both morally right and prudent to help their neighbors store food, whatever their faith. The cannery in Tennessee that was "visited" by federal agents follows that practice of helping the general public become better prepared.

    So why do federal agents want to know who is storing away long-term food storage? We suspect it is for the following reasons:



    DHS/FEMA wants to know which Americans have food storage so the federal government can at some future point confiscate that food. Just as with lists of gun owners, compiling such lists is the first step toward future confiscation.

    DHS wants to identify those Americans who are "switched on" and squared away enough to actually store food for coming hard times (such as during an economic collapse). That population of awake, aware, and prepared Americans poses a "threat" to whatever DHS and its masters have in store for the American people, and as Joseph Stalin so ably demonstrated, one of the easiest ways to subjugate defiant people is to confiscate their food and starve them into submission.



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  2. x1hunter89

    x1hunter89 gresham oregon Active Member

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    I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemys foreign and DOMESTIC; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the People
     
  3. Benny503

    Benny503 Grants Pass Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe this article, all the fed need to find whom are the customers all they have to do is look into the credit transaction machine: -) and bank statement of the business. Big brother already OWNED us.
     
  4. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    My gut says there is a lot more to the story than what is being reported.
     
  5. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    my gut says the cops were there investigating a specific case, not fishing for info on random people who buy bulk food.
     
  6. BigDaddyDMD

    BigDaddyDMD Albany, OR Member

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    My intial thought it that they were not federal agents at all, but a pair of civilians impersonating federal agents in order to gain information on the whereabouts of someone who had purchased there.
     
  7. Sling Blade

    Sling Blade Yamhill County Well-Known Member

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    This and what Benny said.
     
  8. kenno

    kenno eastern WA Active Member

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    This story broke yesterday but it is viral and not yet confirmed, It could be a giagantic hoax or an Occupy black Op. Notice there is a request for donations to Oath Keepers, they may have been duped, and since the Agents were not I.D'd I am going to wait for atribution
     
  9. bluegrasscolonel

    bluegrasscolonel Nashville, TN New Member

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    This is a FALSE story. I was at the Nashville, TN (actually Hendersonville, TN) LDS cannery this morning. I asked the manager about the story and she told me it was false. When they heard the rumor they checked with the other LDS cannery in TN (Knoxville, I believe) and nothing like that happened there either.
     
  10. Scrammer

    Scrammer SW Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Yes, this story appears to false.
    Did some more follow up on it today.
    My apologies to all.
     
  11. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Gee's you mean you can't believe all the silly crap you read on the internet. I'm shocked
     
  12. knuckle Head

    knuckle Head southeast Well-Known Member

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    :dinner::dinner:

    What you said
     
  13. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    A recent article on Oath Keepers mentioned a formal visit to an LDS Cannery from an individual identifying himself as a Federal Agent.

    Preppers Are Now Considered To Be Potential Terrorists?

    However, the article has since been pulled from the Oath Keepers website.

    Oath Keepers » Blog Archive » Oath Keepers Alert: Federal Agents Demand Customer Lists From Mormon Food Storage Facility

    Oath Keepers affirms that what was stated was actually stated from the manager, while the managers claim (or at least the claim is that they claim) to have never have made such accusations. What I find interesting, to note, it that Oath Keepers would write an article without any direct referrence to the source, many other things have just straight confused me about this.

    There are videos online claiming to have, personally, checked with the LDS Canneries and spoken with the managers. They claim to have contacted both of them. I don't know about you guys, but Tennessee is a big state- you mean to tell me there are only two LDS canneries in the entire state?
    [video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKLnsaQgqc8[/video]

    It seems that a lot of these articles of "It's Fake!" are now coming from a video of a person who claims to have called the canneries herself. Why can't anyone actually record a conversation with these guys on the phone, get them to identify themselves, and post it for everyone to verify before anyone jumps to a conclusion?

    All of this is just heresay until all the facts are presented.
     
  14. kenno

    kenno eastern WA Active Member

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    Oath Keepers has pulled this report, thier source has recanted his story. This is a FUBAR hoax that damages Oath Keepers rep.
    Beware of follow-up hoaxes as a smoke screen leading to a genuine situation
     
  15. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Giving more than a wee bit too much credit to the Occupy folks aren't you?
     
  16. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, maybe not. My only complaint is that this was a guy who talked to a guy who talked to a guy kinda thing. Nobody verified the story with the FBI or has even posted the name of the manager or even which of the TN LDS canneries that the story was referring to. Then, since it was on Oath Keeprs, it's been referrenced on and on from there as fact.

    Maybe an actual FBI agent questioned an LDS cannery about an investigation and the rumors flew from there? Who knows. I just know that this was very shotty journalism.
     
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    kenno eastern WA Active Member

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    I posted an article from TheBlaze.com here this morning that expanded a bit on the chronolagy of this hoax but it was apparently removed. go to TheBlaze.com for the story
     
  18. jdub75

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    As a collective, citizens of all walks of life need to be FAR more inquisitive and skeptical of 'journalism' of all sorts. Not being paranoid, just realistic. Most 'professional' news organizations have agendas beyond what we see. Perhaps the most questionable form of journalism that has spawned with the internet are blogs that many of us accept as real, professional news. Remember, any person with basic computer skills can become a purveyor of information that can be baseless of fact and devoid of any journalistic standards.
    The more emotional response you feel from reading an article, the more we should question the facts they present.
     
  19. Scrammer

    Scrammer SW Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I received this e-mail from a site commenting on this entire affair.
    Oath Keepers does not post stories callously.
    Greetings!

    You are receiving this e-mail because you are a member of AVOW forums or an AVOW bookstore customer.

    A few days ago I sent out an alert on a report of Federal Agents attempting to get a list of customer names from an LDS Cannery. This story went viral all across the USA and was one of the most read threads on AVOW in a long time. It has also generated tremendous controversy as claims and counter-claims have been flying.

    OathKeepers has now removed the original story from their site.

    But I came across this rather interesting possible explanation of what "really" might have happened and pass it along for your consideration.
    EVERYTHING You Wanted to Know On the “Federal Agent’s Raid on the LDS Cannery” Story | Preparedness Pro

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    EVERYTHING You Wanted to Know On the "Federal Agent's Raid on the LDS Cannery" Story

    By Kellene On December 11, 2011 · 5 Comments

    By Kellene Bishop

    Holy cow! What a mess!!! Here's a breakdown of the latest "drama" in the world of preparedness. I will forewarn you though; I have gone into great detail on the matter of whether or not the whole "Federal Agents, Raid, Demand Customer List, LDS Cannery, Mormon Food Storage Facility" is true. Not only did I do some major "gum shoeing" on this story but I also share some baseline facts here that really should be considered before you make an opinion on this matter. Hopefully you'll find this information helpful and by the end of it you can base your opinion and act in your best interests and that of your family's preparedness efforts.

    Puzzle piece #1: Oathkeepers.org posted an article in which they claimed that they had verifiable intel that two federal agents went into an LDS Cannery in Madison, TN demanding customer lists and financial transaction information. Their request was denied. They left, though reportedly a bit agitated.

    Puzzle piece #2: On December 9, 2011, Alex Jones of Info Wars Nightly News broadcast an interview with the president and founder of Oathkeepers.org, Stewart Rhodes. (For those of you who don't know, Stewart is a constitutional lawyer, with a degree from Yale, keenly interested in helping to prevent a police state, as well as a former clerk for the AZ Supreme Court, a member of Congressman Ron Paul's D.C. staff, and retired Army veteran. He's now focused primarily on promoting Oathkeepers.org.) The interview was simply a recap of the story posted by Oathkeepers, but with some updated bits of information confirming the story. Stewart specifically stated that Rand Cardwell, the Oathkeepers.org chapter president in TN, had verified the story by going to the cannery and speaking with the "management person."

    Puzzle piece #3: In addition to the story about the LDS Cannery, Alex Jones also addressed the developing story of persons in TN being questioned via "door to door preparedness checks." This story was reported by the mainstream media, News Channel 5 in TN. I started getting e-mails and messages about THIS story beginning the first part of November from persons both in TN, including two who were subjected to the inquiry, as well as persons outside of TN whose family members experienced this. THIS is the story that was quite alarming to me for reasons I'll address in a later post. As such, I posted the link of the Alex Jones interview on the Preparedness Pro Facebook page. (Just a reminder, that you "liking" Preparedness Pro on Facebook will get you up to the minute type of information that I simply can't provide on the blog.) I did so with the statement that I had personally confirmed the story but it was the door to door interviews that I had confirmed due to NON-hearsay interviews, messages, etc.-NOT the LDS Cannery story. However, I didn't have a problem posting the entire link from Alex Jones because I know that Alex Jones has a reputation that he can't afford to sully, as does Oathkeepers.org, as does Lew Rockwell-who also posted the information, etc.

    Puzzle Piece #4: Though I was more interested at the time in the door-to-door interview story, I felt that there was certainly a story that needed to be researched on the LDS Cannery issue because surely if such an incident did occur then that was very, very significant. I certainly wanted to get my own information/confirmation though.

    One of the first things I do when I'm researching a topic is to trigger Google Alerts, setting up alerts for the phrase "LDS cannery" and "Mormon cannery" and a few other types of subjects. I do this so that I can try and find individuals that I can personally contact and actually speak with to confirm stories. Unfortunately though, all I was seeing was a reposting of the same Oathkeepers' article. But after reading it several times there was a portion of the article that didn't sit right-the most significant of which is the sentence that bloggers kept using. They kept saying that Rand Cardwell confirmed the story with "a fellow veteran who stores his own food at the facility in question." This is an indicator that something isn't right, because even though these facilities are frequently referred to as "the Bishop's storehouse", individuals do NOT store their food there. So no veteran friend of Rand's, who "stores his own food at the facility", could possibly exist. These facilities are run very much like any other grocery business with the exception that the majority of the work that's done there is performed by volunteers, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, who volunteer for a shift which can involve a myriad of tasks such as packaging the wheat into the #10 cans, or making applesauce and then packaging it, or cleaning all of the heavy equipment, etc. When a member of the church volunteers their time for a shift, they are usually given access to purchase some of the products that are available at the facility such as canned fruits, vegetables, and grains. Anyway, people package and remove food from there-not STORE their food there. So frankly, this little misstep initially led me to think that this might be a bunch of hooey...but not so fast.

    Puzzle Piece #5: Within 24 hours I started hearing from a bunch of regular folks that the story was a "fabrication" from Oathkeepers and Alex Jones. However, if you really want to know the truth, you have to hold all stories up to a standard of verification. The "proof" that these folks were offering to "substantiate" that the story was false was nothing more than "he said that she said that he said" stuff. For example, some woman tried to call "the cannery" and was told that the story wasn't accurate. Someone else talked to someone else who called the LDS Church headquarters and was told that the story was fabricated. Good grief! That kind of stuff is SO not helpful because it is presented absent of so many other facts. You certainly wouldn't rely on the accuracy of The Second Coming taking place with that kind of information would you, so why in the world would someone rely on rebutting a potentially significant story in the same manner? (I have to admit, I was very disappointed with how gullible some folks seemed to be in that respect. Being falsely led to believe that something didn't happen is just as bad as being falsely led to believe that something did happen.)

    Puzzle Piece #6: The Oathkeepers.org story has been pulled and Oathkeepers.org has even addressed the fact that the story was pulled and why-they were very blunt as to why, even in light of the embarrassment that came with pulling such a story. Frankly, that's when I really started to wonder if there wasn't some accuracy to the story. While there are those who would accuse them, Alex Jones and everyone else who posted this story, as being nothing more than liars, the original source of intel was reported to have withdrawn his assertions. That just didn't sit right with me. These guys are already having to battle fiercely to keep and grow their audience and they've all invested huge sums of time, effort, and personal expense to get their message heard. Would they really risk it all just for the sake of one single story?

    Puzzle Piece #7: Rand Cardwell personally communicated with me on this matter. He stated that after directly communicating with his initial source of information, the testimony was recanted. Do you really think that if YOU were friends with a tough guy, Desert Storm Veteran, retired Marine Sergeant, like Rand Cardwell that you'd recant on something so significant as this without some serious motivations to do so??!! Veterans watch out for each other, but Marine veterans have an even more animalistic, super-power loyalty to each other. (If you know a Marine, you know what I'm talking about.) His source of information was a fellow veteran. A recant of this story, which would ultimately embarrass Oathkeepers.org and anyone else who put stock in such a story, certainly would not happen willy nilly...

    Puzzle Piece #8: The LDS Church is a great asset to the U.S. as it has provided hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to NON-members throughout the country over the years-aid which could never have been provided at the hands of the government. The LDS church is certainly not a political or humanitarian relationship to be underestimated. It would have been VERY, very foolish for federal agents from ANY arm of U.S. law enforcement to walk into an LDS church-owned private property and demand to see information on their customers. (All LDS church-owned properties are void of any liens on them.) It not only would have been an absolutely unprecedented move from a violation of privacy standpoint, but it also would have been an act of aggression against the LDS church.

    Puzzle Piece #9: So IF a federal agent were so foolish to have done such a thing, I can assure you that when he reported back to his supervisor, he was most certainly put in his place with a colorful slew of obscenities and was demanded to back down from such an attack on such a powerful ally corporation and religious organization. (When I say "powerful" I'm talking in terms of organization, welfare capabilities, and influence-not any type of unrighteous dominion over others.) I mean really, can't you just hear that conversation now? "You did WHAT?! Do you have any idea what you've just put into jeopardy?! Do you have any idea how big the Mormon church is?! Do you want Romney or Huntsman to win as the result of your stupid actions, garnering a sympathy vote because you went off half-cocked asking questions?!" Yeah...I can just picture such an event. In fact, I can assure you that IF such a ridiculous interrogation did take place, the federal agents involved have been put on desk duty for a while until things are smoothed over and the story is properly contained, denied, covered-up, etc.

    Puzzle Piece #10: IF such an encounter took place, there's no way in the world that the news of such would have been disseminated purposefully to the public from the LDS Church's side of things, and I can assure you that IF a person at the cannery was asked for this information, his/her first call would have been to their Regional Authorities. There's not a single Regional Authority that would have said "call the news media immediately and report this." So IF such an instance took place, and was indiscreetly shared with Rand Caldwell of Oathkeepers.org, I can assure you that that person didn't have a clue as to what kind of a high-speed viral panic it would have generated. Thus it's perfectly reasonable that in the interest of not causing a panic-especially among LDS church members-and not causing strained communication between the LDS church and the White House, I can assure you that IF such an instance took place, all persons were advised to keep it to themselves until the leadership of the LDS church could get to the bottom of it.

    Puzzle Piece #11: IF such an inquiry took place and IF it actually was sanctioned by a division of federal law enforcement, it could only have been done without a traditional warrant and proper notice to the cannery as a result of the treasonous Patriot Act, Section 215, which not only allows federal agents to search for whatever they want so long as they have a "significant purpose", but it also puts a gag order on the person/entity at the subject of that search from speaking about the matter to ANYONE-even their own attorney! This week's most recent "Justice Department law" S 3081 doesn't help anything either. It attempts to allow the Justice Department to waive any requirements of Habeas Corpus for AMERICANS if they are merely suspected-not proven-to be a terrorist. What is an indicator that they MIGHT be a terrorist? Oh, you know, if they have more than 7 days of food. Attempting to refute the original story without being mindful of these two compelling injustices that are valid right now in our nation is very, very naïve.

    Puzzle Piece #12: While it may smart a little bit, the fact is, I am a "nobody", so to speak, in the eyes of national news and an organization as big as the LDS Church. If this did happen, it's a very serious matter and if I were the leader of the LDS church, I would certainly want to contain the information A.S.A.P and handle this situation very delicately. I certainly would not be dishing out all of the info to every Tom, Dick, and Kellene Bishop that called to inquire. So, to think that so and so could just pick up the phone and call the LDS Church (which, by the way, the LDS members are asked NOT to do, rather they are supposed to speak with their local clergy first and run up the ladder from there) and get the facts on this kind of matter, is just plain ridiculous. Neither would I be able to just pick up the phone and call DHS or the Justice Department or the White House and get the straight scoop on this. Capiche? So, confirming OR denying this story all because of a couple of phone calls to the LDS church or government entity is foolhardy and obtuse.

    Now don't these bits of applied logic make sense? So, do I now have you totally confused? Is the story accurate or not? And if I'm a "nobody" then how can I confirm or deny the story? Well, I can tell you that it sure helps to have friends in all kinds of places including in all branches of law enforcement, most levels of banking, and at all kinds of levels and departments within the LDS Church. I am much more inclined to bank on a direct conversation with a personal friend at the FBI than I am some gal on YouTube saying she called the Church Headquarters and the Cannery. Unfortunately though, such a conversation with an FBI friend would not be "for public consumption." So here's what I can tell you.

    As far as the U.S. government is concerned, there was no "drop in" by Federal agents and that's the official story we will hear forever on this matter.

    As far as the LDS Church is concerned, this is a private matter of misunderstanding and in the interest of peaceful relations it will go no further.

    The "agent" who actually DID ask questions, was not acting in a sanctioned activity in the capacity as a federal agent at the time-it's called "plausible deniability", folks. As such, the official word on this matter will always be that there was no "raid."

    But on a positive note, you can bet that even the false creation and subsequent circulation of this story will result in a letter directed to each of the canneries that IF such a scenario were to play out in the future, the policy will be that NO LDS cannery will release this kind of personal information to anyone, regardless of how dark their sunglasses are, or how big their guns are and that the proper procedure will be to communicate directly with the Area Authority. As such, in my opinion, purchasing from an LDS cannery is one of the most "safe" purchases a person can make with regard to privacy. (More on that later.)

    Rand Cardwell himself simply cannot and will not confirm the story as accurate any longer, however I do not believe that there is any possibility that Rand Cardwell or Stewart Rhodes invented this story-though I do believe that there were certainly some components (no one stores their food in an LDS cannery) that were lost in translation that would need to be clarified if the story were to ever move forward.

    I do not believe for a moment that Alex Jones went forward with his story without doing his own homework on the manner and being satisfied that it was, indeed, accurate; nor do I believe Lew Rockwell would have sourced the story on his site without having a longstanding relationship of trust with both sources. None of these individuals are so desperate as to risk the attention and trust of their entire audience all because of one sensationalistic story.

    Bottom line, claiming that the story is fabricated without doing all of the homework, serious homework, is irresponsible in my opinion; it's just too easy and too convenient. All of the claims that the story is accurate have structure and foundation behind them creating too many substantial points of fact which I believe lend to the veracity of the story, in spite of the initial misgivings I had, while on the other hand there's nothing but he-said/she-said to refute the story. (In fact, I would give a friendly warning that any persons attempting to color this story as a "lie" might open a person up to a liable lawsuit.) If something more substantive comes my way to refute the story, I'll consider it, but there's simply nothing of substance at this juncture.

    Ultimately though, whether you believe this story is accurate or not, it simply does not matter because it doesn't alter our need for becoming more self-reliant-in peace, not panic. I think this whole hoopla strengthens our reasons for a more self-reliant life. I think it's a significant warning that we need to appreciate that the pursuit of a self-reliant life isn't going to get easier, but we can still certainly do it. In conclusion, I suggest that everyone go back to the 1st Principle of Preparedness, Spiritual Preparedness, and do a "gut check." That's your source of truth on this story and the only one you can ultimately rely on.
     
  20. nitestocker

    nitestocker woodland washington Well-Known Member

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    its good to check things out before people say the sky is falling or wolf or etc etc etc don't ... be listening to he said she said crap investigate it first check things out first before you tell story's otherwise people get the wrong idea and go off half cocked blaming the government for this now . everyones whining about this and that about our government .i no there messed up but lets not make it worse with out checking out the facts. We still live in the best country in the World and if we dont watch out were going to loose it .