Fatal Police Shooting - 18 Rounds Fired, Four Hits.

[GrayGoose]

That is a 22.22% hit rate...so about twice that of the NYPD.

Unfortunately, not enough beat cops practice regularly with their firearms. They do their qualification, however often it's required, and that's it.

"Only the police should have guns."

 

[WillametteWill]

First, why do they release the video and then blur out nearly all the video? (I know 'why," rhetorical but kinda strange.) Their hit percentage is right at average typically observed by LEO's.

2. It's hard to maintain a good backstop when retreating from a threat. I think she was trying to place the vehicle between her and the attacker. However, in doing so her backstop shifted from the house to the street.

Spot on here. Folks that are awesome shots on a static range (this includes games were shooters are moving from target to target, shooting from essentially marked firing positions) don't always understand shooting or even just pointing a gun (justifiably) and not needed to shoot on a 3D range (real world where backdrops are dynamic and not controlled by you) is a different realm. Clearly, many on this forum do.

In some training I have led, I've used a slow moving target coming straight at the shooter and also used static targets (cardboard USPSA types) and added a T-shirt. Just these two, simple acts can send shooters that were all A-zone shooters into multiple misses and much slower shooting. The moving target is actually getting easier to hit (no lateral movement, target is getting closer) and not change in the cardboard...other than it now looks more human.

There is a big difference between:

a) I can make three, 7 yard A-Zone hits shooting quickly, but at my pace

and

b) If I don't make three anatomically significant hits before the dude with knife gets to me, while moving, while he is moving, while thinking about the backstop, while trying not to trip, seeking cover, thinking about where my partners are, while wearing 20 pounds of gear...I die.

 

[willy1]

FYI don't click on the video until ad has stopped playing.

Wow. Looked like she was 8 feet away from the attacker or so. Plus the guy was slowly and lazily moving toward her (not erratic or fast) and was front-on (not in profile/side-on) to her the whole time. Even had fairly bright colored shirt. That's some horrible shootin Tex. I guess the person who got out of the SUV was the mom who got hit.

Looks like he was dancing a jug or something?

 

[somatic]

I assume this is bad shooting, especially with the training they receive? I assume I could do better but I also realize that its way tougher when adrenalize is pumping, at night, etc. But I was under the impression that's what the training was for?

 

[RVTECH]

First thing I noticed at about the 06 mark is Officer turns her damn back on the perp WTF!

DItto this ! and WTF was she carrying the bag in her left hand while approaching a potentially dangerous person?

She obviously has NO concept of defensive awareness, preparedness, etc.

 

[Cottonwood]

I spent plenty of time behind the badge, and besides our annual qualifications, I had to provide my own ammo for when I went to the range... which was weekly BTW. It is sad, but I once met a retired Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy that when I asked him what his duty firearm was... he couldn't tell me, but I told him.. he was curious how I knew. I said, well I'm a gun guy that researches these things... he said he wasn't a gun guy, and would only hit the range when mandated. I left the law dawg stuff back in 2005.. no regrets.

 

[Alexx1401]

I spent plenty of time behind the badge, and besides our annual qualifications, I had to provide my own ammo for when I went to the range... which was weekly BTW. It is sad, but I once met a retired Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy that when I asked him what his duty firearm was... he couldn't tell me, but I told him.. he was curious how I knew. I said, well I'm a gun guy that researches these things... he said he wasn't a gun guy, and would only hit the range when mandated. I left the law dawg stuff back in 2005.. no regrets.

Sadly this has LONG been a "thing". Many Cops treat the gun they carry as just a tool they have to have. Don't really like it, don't want to know how to use it any more than needed. It often shows when the crap hits the fan and they can't use their gun sadly.

 

[Certaindeaf]

This is why that one cop carries 348 rounds.





Lool

 

[Alexx1401]

This is why that one cop carries 348 rounds.





Lool

Bound to hit something that way

 

[arakboss]

Only 18 rounds fired? They must be under orders to conserve ammo.

 

[Alexx1401]

Only 18 rounds fired? They must be under orders to conserve ammo.

Hey that stuff is getting pricey now days you know.

 

[huntpotter]

Bringing a knife to a gun fight is unfair - not "equity" Therefore the officers should also have knives.

Yes. But they are bringing "diversity" to the knife fight. Who are you to judge if those pistols identify as knives.

 

[Caspertoo]

Lotta people here really critical of her, but she did ok. She moved backwards and engaged him within 1 second of him pulling out the knife. I'm sure she had a fair bit of tunnel vision on him. She didn't limp wrist any of her shots like the Chicago PD cop did, she instantly recognized the lethal threat, and while she has some extra weight on her, she did her job. Nationally a lot of police shootings have about a 20% hit rate.

Is she swat material? No. Does she engage without screaming and running for the hills? Yes.

 

[WillametteWill]

I spent plenty of time behind the badge, and besides our annual qualifications, I had to provide my own ammo for when I went to the range... which was weekly BTW. It is sad, but I once met a retired Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy that when I asked him what his duty firearm was... he couldn't tell me, but I told him.. he was curious how I knew. I said, well I'm a gun guy that researches these things... he said he wasn't a gun guy, and would only hit the range when mandated. I left the law dawg stuff back in 2005.. no regrets.

Law enforcement agencies hire from the human race. Some are gun people whereas others are not but acknowledge that guns are important tools for the job. You use ALL of your other tools more often than guns, from verbal skills, control holds, and less lethal items. I was blessed to work at a place where we qualified monthly most of the time, quarterly during a few budget crunches but we could shoot daily with department ammo if we wanted to. Even when we retired, we still had a monthly allowance of ammo. We had/have a nice range as well. Not all officers are blessed by agencies that put a priority on this.

It is vital to have force on force or good scenario training to compliment range training. Huge difference between shooting cardboard and reacting to real humans or even video systems.

 

[Flopsweat]

This was way worse.

The full, less censored, no commentary version for the haters.

 

[Caspertoo]

This was way worse.

The full, less censored, no commentary version for the haters.

Hundred percent agree. That cop has no business wearing a badge and carrying a gun. She limp wristed her only shot, was completely unfamiliar with how to clear the jam, didn't even bring her pacset with her on patrol. The only good thing she did was she wasn't an impediment for her partner.

 

[Flopsweat]

Hundred percent agree. That cop has no business wearing a badge and carrying a gun. She limp wristed her only shot, was completely unfamiliar with how to clear the jam, didn't even bring her pacset with her on patrol. The only good thing she did was she wasn't an impediment for her partner.

And she flagged the whole neighborhood trying to clear the jam.

Also, it looked like she needed to forcefully remove the mag in order to clear the jam. She simply lacked the experience and training to recognize that.

 

[sobo]

And she flagged the whole neighborhood trying to clear the jam.

Bad enough that she flagged herself and her partner, but I visibly cringed when she got out of the car and flagged the passing motorist (silver sedan).

Also, it looked like she needed to forcefully remove the mag in order to clear the jam. She simply lacked the experience and training to recognize that.

I thought that too. Looked like it really needed to be grabbed with authoritaaaay and ripped outta there. She had no respect for that gun...

 

[Alexx1401]

Hundred percent agree. That cop has no business wearing a badge and carrying a gun. She limp wristed her only shot, was completely unfamiliar with how to clear the jam, didn't even bring her pacset with her on patrol. The only good thing she did was she wasn't an impediment for her partner.

Diversity hiring at it best

 

[eustace_stelio]

This was way worse.

The full, less censored, no commentary version for the haters.

Not only did the female officer not know how to clear her gun she also had it just pointed in every direction as she attempted to clear it!

Edit: others already mentioned this, my bad.