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Facebook Shuts Down 100s of ProGun Pages? There could be more to it.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by 2A2Dend, Feb 6, 2016.

  1. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    More of a food for thought.

    I got an email today with the header reading "Facebook Shuts Down 100s of ProGun Pages" Within the email are links to many references on the topic. Click one. WAIT. Hold your mouse over the link. Where is this link going to take you? /track/click?u

    Someone is baiting. Tracking. And making money when you click that link. WHO? Are they Pro-gun or Anti-gun. As I said, just food for thought. Below is an image of that email for your evaluation.
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  2. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I don't have a Facebook account and have no plans for one anytime in the near future, so I'll have to take y'all word for it.
     
  3. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Where did you get your e-mail from? I think it was recently made public knowledge that Hickok45 got slapped because something he was using was linked to google plus and or something so no-no.. peepee slap.
     
  4. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    I don't have a Facebook account. The email I rec'd came from firearmsradio(dot)tv
    The point in my posting is not facebook, but about links that are all over the internet, be it via email, message boards, social media networks, etc..etc. Links are mostly sponsor driven. Someone generally benefits in monetary form, every time that link is "clicked"

    I've even rec'd emails from long time friends that have forwarded or mass-emailed everyone on the list, and the links were sponsored. Click=$

    Click=$......BUT WHO?
    This is the part I'm trying to point out.
    Are they Pro-Gun, or are they Anti-Gun.

    As I said, food for thought.
    What you gain, is in your perception.
     
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  5. Boboclown

    Boboclown North Carolina Well-Known Member

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    Not surprised that facebook shuts down any profile that's pro-gun.
     
  6. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I'm glad I cancelled my FB a few years ago.

    I'm done with any and all sociwl media and pledge I will keep my children off them as long as I can.
     
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  7. Mike VH

    Mike VH Oregon City Well-Known Member

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    I know a guy out near Newberg that has a home ffl, totally legal. He had a face book page for his ffl and one for his personal stuff. Facebook closed both of his accounts with no warning.
     
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  8. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    There was a delete account feature back a few years ago - no idea how it works now though.
     
  9. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    (facepalm) :s0013:
     
  10. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    No idea who is tracking what but I figured it was a given. Even the admin here benefits from ads so there has to be some way to track who does what from where just in order to get paid.

    If the question is are they pro or anti then I think the answer is both. They sell to porn sites and faith sites and everything in between.
     
  11. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Nearly everything you do on the internet is tracked, and just about every company in the industry is anti-gun.
     
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  12. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    Someone finally caught what I was trying to point out. Not necessarily the "tracking", more in sense of who it benefits from the redirect "in" the tracking. Then again, I don't blindly click any links.
     
  13. Provincial

    Provincial Near Salem, OR Well-Known Member

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    For a long time, I have wondered why this is the case. Can it be that there is a connection between writing/understanding code and being anti-gun? Such a connection can't be absolute, because we have plenty of pro-gun members here that write/understand code.

    It may have something to do with the "easy come, easy go" mentality of the industry.

    Someone should do a study of this, but he won't get any federal grant money unless the study is intended to show that anti-gun thinking is superior. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Steve32

    Steve32 US Active Member

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    IT IS happening. I don't see any closed US gun Facebook groups removed, however I have a hunter friend in England and he says all the UK based Facebook groups are getting deleted. Not only firearm groups, but even BB gun / air rifle groups. Not 1 or 2, but many. There is a new social media, all the pro-gun Englishmen moving there.

    So, maybe the link you see generates money on ads, BUT the news is true. Or half-true, because It's definately true for UK Facebook groups.
     
  15. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    ArkansasPrepper had a gun group removed from his channel. Just watched the video a few hours ago.

    Not that Im a huge fan but I was curious about the topic.
     
  16. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    My take in websites, they all have some form of ad or sponsoring. Take any gun forum for example. Some (A LOT) of them are like paid commercials for the super bowl. They pay for that spot of advertising space. Being more visual appealing, it's easier for anyone to click out of convenience, rather than searching. It's human nature. Just not my nature. Point-click-done. Yes it did get you in proximity of where you wanted to be. When you clicked that convenient link, someone made money. The more people that click, the more money they make. Think Go-Fund-Me.....hmm. Who makes that money? Thinking left field, politicians, the government, hmmm.
     
  17. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    My markathebeast tat just twitched so you're probably right.
     
  18. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    This topic, like most forums, off topic.

    Here is a copy of the info I rec'd via email I mentioned in my original post.

    It's time to look at ProFreedom alternatives

    With Facebook randomly taking down 100s of guns pages without explanation, it may be wise to have a privacy minded, profreedom alternative. We are going to give the social media platform MeWe a try…

    Here’s a video from a ProGun investor of the company MeWe: https://www.facebook.com/clint.fiore/videos/10100744288951168/?pnref=story

    We already have the following groups(pages). Please consider joining them.

    Firearms Radio Network
    https://mewe.com/join/frn

    AR15 Podcast
    https://mewe.com/join/ar15podcast

    Off-Road Podcast
    https://mewe.com/join/off-road

    Firearms Insider (Keep an eye out, we are totally revamping this website)
    https://mewe.com/join/firearmsinsider

    The Reloading Podcast
    https://mewe.com/join/reloadingpodcast

    Precision Rifle Podcast
    https://mewe.com/join/precisionrifle

    Guns of Hollywood
    https://mewe.com/join/gunsofhollywood

    Handgun Radio Show
    https://mewe.com/join/handgun

    Gun Guy Radio
    https://mewe.com/join/gunguy

    We Like Shooting
    https://mewe.com/join/welikeshooting

    FRN is not leaving facebook. We are just exploring building an alternative for the long term. It doesn't seem like facebook is ever going to become "more" gun friendly...
     
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  19. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I don't believe it's a correlation between the people themselves, but rather where they and the businesses are located. The entire ad/marketing industry is primarily located in CA, NY, London, etc. Like everything else, follow the money. Websites need revenue to operate, and these people control the money. If anyone is to blame it's the large companies who do business with known anti-gun ad agencies.

    I ran into this just last week, as I've been seeking out new advertising partners to increase our revenue.

    http://www.conversantmedia.com/case-studies/cabelas

    This company features Cabela's as a prime case study, yet doesn't do business with publishers in the firearm industry?

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    Manufacturers and other big players in the firearm industry could easily put pressure on these companies or form their own, but why would they? There's no pressure from us. This isn't something visible to the average gun buyer, and many of these gun companies are run by people who I believe put money above the 2A. A good CEO can move between industries with ease.

    They have to rely on ads. For better or worse, that's the revenue model of the internet. I could sign a contract to monetize this site tomorrow, make an additional 60k/year, and quit my part time job, but I've never done this for the money, and I don't want people to have to suffer through pop-ups and whatnot. Not to say we might not end up there if revenue channels continue to close for firearm-based websites, but I'll figure something else out before it gets that bad.
     
  20. 2A2Dend

    2A2Dend .. Well-Known Member

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    I don't envy your position. Running a website takes a LOT of involvement and dedication. Easily be a full time job in your spare time. I was surprised when I came here that there were no ads. It's a rarity. Server costs can be astronomical. Hats off to your efforts. There's more to the book than the cover indeed.