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Extraction problem on AR15 any help would be great

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by Rascals, May 1, 2012.

  1. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    I have a AR-15 that I cant seam to get to extract shells most of the time. The shell stays in the barrel and I cant get the handle to pull back at all. I need to lightly hit it with a dead blow hammer to get it to open up then I need to shove a dowel down the barrel to get the case to come out. It also seams to not want to close all the way after I let go of the charging handle. I'm not sure what the problem is. I have tried over 10 magazines of different manufactures different ammo over 7 different kinds and am at a loss. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
     
  2. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    Is everything spotless clean? Bolt? Carrier? Chamber? is the rifle lubed?, as they like to run very wet.

    Does the bolt close with an empty chamber?
     
  3. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    Sounds a little like the gas block has come loose, and misaligned the tube. May also be a problem with/in the buffer/spring/tube area.
    Might also be a buggered bolt. Do you have another bolt you could try?
     
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  4. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    Yes clean. Bolt fully closes when empty. Brought gun spray oil and used it over and over so it was wet.
     
  5. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    High pressure (5.56) ammo in a tight (.223) chamber?
     
  6. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    Chamber is .556 and I dont have any .223. So I dont think that could be a problem.
     
  7. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Is the chamber actually 5.56, or just marked as such?

    Also could just have some machining marks in the chamber that grab the brass when it expands.
     
  8. ron

    ron Vancouver, Washington Silver Supporter Silver Supporter

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    if the bolt closes easily with no ammo your problem may be the brass is not properly sized. Many 223 reloads I have seen won't chamber in a AR because of the tighter chamber. You can use an RCBS precession mic to measure loaded amo or a sized case. I have one for every rifle caliber I reload for to properly set the sizer die.
     
  9. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    Marked as .556 but could not say yes it is at this time. As for reloades these were factory Remminton,Winchester and I even tryed some of my friends wolf to see if that made a differnce and it did not. Also all the rounds were put into a case gauge and they all passed so I just dont understand at all.
     
  10. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    Factory AR or privately built?
     
  11. Rascals

    Rascals Portland Or Active Member

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    Got it in Milwaukee at Curt's Shooting supply.
     
  12. jasonabernathy75

    jasonabernathy75 Wilsonville Oregon Member

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    With all this is said, i vote the gas tube is misaligned.
     
  13. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    I won't say that it isn't a misaligned gas tube.

    But for a gas tube to be misaligned far enough that it takes a hammer to cycle the bolt, I don't think the bolt would close in the first place.
    Stranger things have happened, though, I suppose.

    I suppose if the carrier key was loose and wedging itself somehow, so it was only stuck after the bolt closed on the tube, and centered itself when forced to release?


    Too many variables for an internet forum.
     
  14. Garg

    Garg east of portland metro Hold my beer..... watch this Bronze Supporter

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    I agree. If it is one of Curt's builds, I also now doubt it is a loose block, causing the gas tube to mis align. Possible but unlikely. I would take it to him and have him take a look at it.
    The two times I have had your symptom, was a loose gas block, and a walking trigger pin. The pin came loose on the left side of the receiver and locked up the BCG. Installed anti walk pins in that one (AR pistol) as it took a lot of abuse.
    Good luck, and please check back in on this thread and let us know what it was!!
     
  15. wichaka

    wichaka Wa State Well-Known Member

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    Since you got it at Curt's, take it back.

    If you can't, you can come to my shop and I'll look it over...no charge.
     
  16. eldbillbo

    eldbillbo clackamas New world samurai and a redneck none the less Bronze Supporter

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    If its not a misaligned gas tube . or out of spec gas key ( i had one of those on a AA 6.5 upper) then to me it sounds like misaligned locking lugs. this rarely happens but does happen mass produced barrels where quality control is not as meticulous as with higher end barrels . If thats the case it will need to go back to factory .

    Be it any of the above problems Just Take it back.
     
  17. madcratebuilder

    madcratebuilder Ardenwald, OR Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure if you take it back to Curt he well correct the problem for you.
     
  18. PBinWA

    PBinWA Clark County Well-Known Member

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    I had a similar problem on an AR I built once. I polished the chamber really good and it started feeding fine. In my case the extractor was ripping the lip of the cases. Something to check on your fired brass.

    But as other's have said, I'm sure Curt will make it right if you take it back to him.
     
  19. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    Has laqour coated ammo been shot thru it?
     
  20. DirectDrive

    DirectDrive Vancouver, WA Member

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    This was my first thought as well.
    Symptoms point to an out of spec chamber.

    OP, are your seeing any over-pressure signs like flattened primers or cratered firing pin strikes ?