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Eric Holder is at it still/again

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by MKenn, Feb 12, 2010.

  1. MKenn

    MKenn Portland, OR New Member

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    Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:03:31 -0800

    From: "Dudley Brown" <Dudley.Brown@nationalgunrights.org>

    To: xxxxxxxxx

    Subject: Eric Holder's secret weapon

    Dear NAGR supporter,

    Please forgive my bluntness, but the United States Government
    thinks you&#8217;re a terrorist.

    And now they&#8217;re trying to pass a bill allowing gun-grabbing
    Attorney General Eric Holder to revoke all your Second Amendment
    rights at will if he has &#8220;a reasonable belief&#8221; you could pose
    a &#8220;threat.&#8221;

    I know this sounds unbelievable, but read on.

    As you know, in a recently released report, the goons at Barack
    Obama&#8217;s Department of Homeland Security classified gun owners,
    honorably discharged veterans and little old church ladies as
    threats to the security and stability of the United States of

    Even a gesture as simple as placing a pro-gun bumper sticker on
    your car, or supporting a pro-gun candidate makes you a potential
    &#8220;domestic terrorist&#8221; in the eyes of the thugs running our

    Obviously, your First Amendment rights of free speech mean as
    much to Obama&#8217;s Department of Homeland Security as your Second
    Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

    And to add insult to injury, Barack Obama&#8217;s Surveillance Czar
    Janet Napolitano sees no difference between law-abiding gun
    owners like you and violent racists who murder and vandalize.

    But if that&#8217;s not shocking and outrageous enough, it gets
    worse . . .

    Republican quislings Peter King of New York, Mark Kirk of
    Illinois and Mike Castle of Delaware have just introduced a new
    gun control bill that comes right out of this so-called
    &#8220;Rightwing Extremist&#8221; report.

    I&#8217;m talking about H.R. 2159, the shockingly misnamed
    &#8220;Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of

    I call it the &#8220;Disarming American Citizens Act of 2009.&#8221;

    These anti-gun Republicans-in-Name-Only want to disarm you
    because they fear your pro-liberty views.

    In fact, your love of freedom frightens them so much that
    they&#8217;re now going to great lengths to label you a domestic

    It&#8217;s the perfect way to silence &#8220;troublemakers&#8221; like you
    and me, and to marginalize our influence.

    And make no mistake: If Congress passes H.R. 2159, Eric Holder
    would have the authority to deny thousands of innocent Americans
    their constitutionally protected rights.

    But this bill isn&#8217;t just about Eric Holder taking away your
    Second Amendment rights if you&#8217;re &#8220;appropriately suspected&#8221;
    of &#8220;terrorism.&#8221;

    H.R. 2159 also allows Holder and his team of gun-grabbing
    henchmen to &#8220;withhold&#8221; any and all evidence from you or a
    court if Holder & co. &#8220;determine&#8221; that it might &#8220;compromise
    national security.&#8221;

    These are the same people who labeled small government advocates
    potential &#8220;domestic terrorists!&#8221; Who cares what they

    Even more ridiculous, H.R. 2159 says that the courts &#8220;must&#8221;
    rely on Eric Holder&#8217;s personally &#8220;redacted versions&#8221; or
    &#8220;summaries&#8221; of the &#8220;evidence&#8221; he supposedly has against
    you . . .

    . . . and he never has to release the evidence he claims to

    They could annul your Second Amendment rights and convict you in
    a court of &#8220;law&#8221; without a shred of actual evidence . . .

    NAGR needs your help today to stop H.R. 2159 from progressing
    any farther. Click here to contribute.

    You already know Attorney General Eric Holder is Barack
    Obama&#8217;s most ruthless anti-gun henchman.

    And we all know what Barack Obama himself thinks of gun owners.

    As a candidate, he claimed you and I were &#8220;bitter&#8221;
    uneducated folks &#8220;clinging&#8221; to guns out of hatred and

    And now as President, he and Surveillance Czar Janet Napolitano
    have gone a step further in declaring gun rights activists and
    pro-gun voters domestic terrorist threats.

    To make matters worse, Republican scalawags Mike Castle and Mark
    Kirk -- both notorious anti-gunners -- are working with Obama and
    Carolyn McCarthy to strip you of your most fundamental freedoms.

    If H.R. 2159 becomes law, Eric Holder -- or any other Attorney
    General for that matter -- will be allowed to disarm you based on
    your political views without having to provide any evidence for
    his claims.

    The National Association for Gun Rights is ready to stop H.R.
    2159, the Disarming American Citizens Act.

    I&#8217;m committed to this fight. Are you?

    I hope you realize how dangerous this bill is. And I hope I
    can count on you to help fund our new program.
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    Without your help, the National Association for Gun Rights will> be unable to notify and mobilize gun owners across the country to> combat this newest infringement on our constitutional rights.

    That is why it is imperative that you send in your most generous
    donation possible.

    Let me give you an idea of what gun owners are up against.

    With anti-gun Barack Obama in the White House, and Nancy Pelosi
    ruling the House of Representatives with an iron fist, our only
    hope to stop the Disarming American Citizens Act is in the

    As I&#8217;ve told you before, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid
    finds himself between a rock and a hard place.

    Even as his re-election to the Senate from pro-gun Nevada is
    very much in doubt, anti-gunners like Sarah Brady and MoveOn.org
    are pressuring him to do their bidding in Washington.

    To break a politician like Harry Reid, NAGR needs to stir up a
    hornet&#8217;s nest of discontent among gun owners across the country
    and especially in targeted states like Nevada.

    The good news is we have the ability to contact hundreds of
    thousands of gun owners by phone, fax, email and traditional

    Unfortunately, reaching gun owners in a timely manner takes
    resources we simply don&#8217;t have.

    Fighting for our right to keep and bear arms isn&#8217;t cheap.

    For example, with the recent postage increases, it now costs the
    National Association for Gun Rights well over $1000 to produce
    and mail a letter to 1000 gun owners.

    But no matter what, we simply cannot let H.R. 2159, the
    Disarming American Citizens Act, become law.

    That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s imperative you take a moment to send in
    your most generous donation possible.

    $50, $100, $150 or $200 will make a huge difference in our fight
    to stop H.R. 2159.

    Click here to contribute.

    I wouldn&#8217;t ask if I didn&#8217;t know it was vitally important.

    I know that times are tough in this economy, but your generous
    donation of $50, $100, $150 or even $200 could mean the
    difference between success and failure for this program.

    Click here to contribute.

    I thank you in advance for your generous contribution.

    For Liberty,

    Dudley Brown
    Executive Director
    National Association for Gun Rights

    P.S. Your gun rights are in peril again. If H.R. 2159, the
    Disarming American Citizens Act, passes, anti-gun zealot Eric
    Holder could strip you of your right to keep and bear arms for
    something as simple as a pro-gun bumper sticker.

    Worse, the bill allows Holder to withhold evidence in the event
    of a court case, and demands that the courts rely on Holder&#8217;s
    personally &#8220;redacted&#8221; versions of whatever evidence he claims
    to have.

    Your generous contribution of $50, $100, $150 or $200 will help
    the National Association for Gun Rights mobilize gun owners to
    fight this outrageous gun control measure.>

    I must have your help if I&#8217;m going to defeat this. Please
    donate today!
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  2. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    That reads like a guy promoting fear to collect donations.
  3. parallax

    parallax eugene, or-gun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I wish this post had a link to H.R.2159 so i could read it for myself;)
  4. finch6013

    finch6013 Oregon City Active Member

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    Sounds like fear more than facts. I would like to see the actual HR 2159.
  5. NK777

    NK777 West of Portland Member

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  6. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    I agree with the message, it's the messenger with his hand out that has me doubting his motives.
  7. parallax

    parallax eugene, or-gun Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: THNX NK777.

    sorry i am so lazy....
  8. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Try here: Basically it says the Attorney General (Eric Holder at the moment) can deny anyone a firearm or explosive if (s)he thinks that person is a terrorist or has ties to any terrorist organization. Supposedly to
    Without due process or felony conviction, criminal record etc.
    If the AG thinks you may be buying said device for nefarious purposes you won't get it!
    Much like the domestic abuse/restraining order clauses most states have now.

    No documentation, "evidence of," or "history of," required.

    Sorry for doubling up on the links!
  9. finch6013

    finch6013 Oregon City Active Member

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  10. Dyjital

    Dyjital Albany, Ore Flavorite Member Bronze Supporter

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    It's these bubblegum (I actually typed that one out) people who make me sick.


    5 locations in that message to 'donate'.
  11. elsie

    elsie Way over there on the left Well-Known Member

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    Your place for all federal legislation: http://www.thomas.gov/. Select bill # and enter the information, such as HR2159 and you will get to a status page that includes text and status. This has been in subcommittee since June 2009. It also refers to a Senate version S1317, which has been in committee since the same time.

    You also find fun ones like: H.R.4431
    Title: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to impose a 500 percent excise tax on corporate contributions to political committees and on corporate expenditures on political advocacy campaigns.

    As far as the OP goes, I would have posted it without the plea for funds sections/link (or at least left it at one). Toward the end it does start to sound like fear mongering to get funds. The part that really bugs me though is that I'm not aware of any limitation on the USAG as to who or how a person ends up on "the list". That is probably scarier because they could use "the list" to justify just about anything.

  12. PMKN_PI

    PMKN_PI Milwaukie, Oregon, United States Active Member

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    Warning to the .gov---try to take my arms because of my opinions posted on a website or my bumper stickers and the perpetrators conducting any illegal act against me will have their faces made over by hollowpoints or exfoliated by 00 buck
  13. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Moses Lake, WA Active Member

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    I started getting emails from these guys about 2 months ago. Brand new on the scene, no background information, and the very first email was a warning about HR45 being imminent and fatal to our rights.

    This was unsolicited email and should rightly have ended up in the spam bucket. However, I was interested to see if they would get caught up with modern bills and threats, so I left them on the receiver list. They are gaining on real time, but are still more "send money" than "take action."

  14. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I'm too lazy to click on your link... would you click on it for me, please? :bluelaugh:
  15. NK777

    NK777 West of Portland Member

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    :bluelaugh: :laugh: :bluelaugh: :laugh: :bluelaugh: :laugh:

    I unfortunately can not help you there, though I may know a hacker that could probably figure that one out for you. I doubt he'd be interested in doing so however.
  16. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    I agree with elsie.......this thing has no legs, 22 co-sponsors, but they are the likes of former black panther, bobby rush; scandal stricken charlie rangle and anti-gunner carolyn mccarthy.....here's the complete list from thomaslaw.gov

    COSPONSORS(22), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)
    Rep Ackerman, Gary L. [NY-5] - 11/19/2009 Rep Bishop, Timothy H. [NY-1] - 6/4/2009
    Rep Castle, Michael N. [DE] - 4/29/2009 Rep Clarke, Yvette D. [NY-11] - 11/19/2009
    Rep Crowley, Joseph [NY-7] - 12/10/2009 Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-17] - 12/3/2009
    Rep Hall, John J. [NY-19] - 12/1/2009 Rep Israel, Steve [NY-2] - 6/23/2009
    Rep Johnson, Henry C. "Hank," Jr. [GA-4] - 1/12/2010 Rep Kirk, Mark Steven [IL-10] - 4/29/2009
    Rep Lance, Leonard [NJ-7] - 6/26/2009 Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 11/19/2009
    Rep McCarthy, Carolyn [NY-4] - 4/29/2009 Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 4/29/2009
    Rep Pascrell, Bill, Jr. [NJ-8] - 12/16/2009 Rep Payne, Donald M. [NJ-10] - 1/12/2010
    Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] - 4/29/2009 Rep Rush, Bobby L. [IL-1] - 11/16/2009
    Rep Smith, Christopher H. [NJ-4] - 4/29/2009 Rep Towns, Edolphus [NY-10] - 5/21/2009
    Rep Wasserman Schultz, Debbie [FL-20] - 7/21/2009 Rep Weiner, Anthony D. [NY-9] - 12/3/2009
  17. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    I send my money to the NRA, currently a benefactor member, and have since the 1970's. There are a couple of other groups I support also, but I have to know them and their deeds well before I put up money.