Engraving requirements under new brace rule

[ilikegunspdx]

Do we have to engrave name and location on gun when applying for SBR under the new rule?

Does it have to be the owners name that is engraved or can it be something else such as a unique id, initials, psyedonym? I assume private owners name, or if gun trust owns it then gun trust's name?

Thx for any info or links to requirements!

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[kmk1012]

Interested to find out as well.

 

[Member 53328]

No idea on the new rule…… My last SBR obviously had to have my name and city/state engraved on the lower receiver. But that was paid for and not tax exempt like what may be happening shortly.

 

[3MTA3]

NFA Laser Engraving - SBR / Form 1 - Capitol Armory

<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>TRUST THE NFA EXPERTS WITH YOUR ENGRAVING NEEDS</strong></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: medium;">Capitol Armory utilizes the latest in laser engraving technology t

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"...The ATF requires that all Form 1 short barreled rifles, shotguns or suppressors be engraved with the manufacturer's name (you or legal entity), city and state. Your Name / legal entity name and locale can be engraved any where it is visible and can be as small as 1/16" in height. The minimum depth required by the ATF is .003 ..."

 

[orygun]

@wired , can you answer this? I think you have in the long, overblown thread on the brace rule, but it's turned into such a fustercluck it's hard to find anything specific.

 

[orygun]

NFA Laser Engraving - SBR / Form 1 - Capitol Armory

<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>TRUST THE NFA EXPERTS WITH YOUR ENGRAVING NEEDS</strong></span></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: medium;">Capitol Armory utilizes the latest in laser engraving technology t

www.capitolarmory.com

"...The ATF requires that all Form 1 short barreled rifles, shotguns or suppressors be engraved with the manufacturer's name (you or legal entity), city and state. Your Name / legal entity name and locale can be engraved any where it is visible and can be as small as 1/16" in height. The minimum depth required by the ATF is .003 ..."

I wonder if it could be stamped, instead of engraved?

 

[3MTA3]

Note for those planning on placing their SBR's in a NFA Trust (IMO a very good idea) is that the free amnesty stamp must be to an individual and not a trust, since a non NFA item can be in a NFA trust before the amnesty per WGL:

 

[wired]

It can be stamped or engraved but it has to be there. Name, city, state. The official FAQ on the brace rule is criminally vague on some stuff. This is from the actual form 1 instructions for the free stamp ...See #7

 

[3MTA3]

I wonder if it could be stamped, instead of engraved?

My guess is that so long as it meets the size and depth requirements and is clear that it doesn't matter how it was done, but, you know AFT...

 

[orygun]

@wired , the stamping or engraving is done after the permit is submitted, or before?

 

[orygun]

I have 3/8" tall letter/number stamps. IF I can do it myself legally and safely, no reason to pay someone.

 

[wired]

@wired , the stamping or engraving is done after the permit is submitted, or before?

You can do it before or after. Doesnt matter. You dont have to build the gun at all after you get the stamp but if you do build it the new regs from last summer say within 2 weeks after . You can do it whenever you want before unless your engraver is a moron and wont do it without a stamp.

 

[JedB]

Do we have to engrave name and location on gun when applying for SBR under the new rule?

Does it have to be the owners name that is engraved or can it be something else such as a unique id, initials, psyedonym? I assume private owners name, or if gun trust owns it then gun trust's name?

Thx for any info or links to requirements!

The ATF ruling on the braces has indicated that an individual, not a trust, needs to do the form1 application.
As such, the engraving would need to be in compliance with ATF specs.
Assuming the lower was produced by a manufacturer, you would only need add your name, city and state. Example photo below.

Every NFA Engraving Requirement You Need to Know About – Silencer Central

If you own an NFA item, like a suppressor or an SBR, that was made by a company, you no doubt noticed that it is engraved much like any other firearm with various markings such as the make, model…

www.silencercentral.com

pretty straight forward.

 

[JedB]

Additionally, I have found that Bye Engraving has done an excellent job for all of my NFA stuff.
Bye Engraving Inc
Tel: (503) 246-4653
7914 SW Barbur Blvd
Portland, OR 97219

 

[wired]

The ATF ruling on the braces has indicated that an individual, not a trust, needs to do the form1 application.
As such, the engraving would need to be in compliance with ATF specs.
Assuming the lower was produced by a manufacturer, you would only need add your name, city and state. Example photo below.

Every NFA Engraving Requirement You Need to Know About – Silencer Central

If you own an NFA item, like a suppressor or an SBR, that was made by a company, you no doubt noticed that it is engraved much like any other firearm with various markings such as the make, model…

www.silencercentral.com

pretty straight forward.

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They just say if the weapon was in the trust prior to the 120 day grace period the trust can do it. Very few people legitimately had them in trust before now. .

 

[orygun]

You can do it before or after. Doesnt matter. You dont have to build the gun at all after you get the stamp but if you do build it the new regs from last summer say within 2 weeks after . You can do it whenever you want before unless your engraver is a moron and wont do it without a stamp.

The ATF ruling on the braces has indicated that an individual, not a trust, needs to do the form1 application.
As such, the engraving would need to be in compliance with ATF specs.
Assuming the lower was produced by a manufacturer, you would only need add your name, city and state. Example photo below.

Every NFA Engraving Requirement You Need to Know About – Silencer Central

If you own an NFA item, like a suppressor or an SBR, that was made by a company, you no doubt noticed that it is engraved much like any other firearm with various markings such as the make, model…

www.silencercentral.com

pretty straight forward.

View attachment 1350713

Thank you both for your help.

 

[Member 53328]

Additionally, I have found that Bye Engraving has done an excellent job for all of my NFA stuff.
Bye Engraving Inc
Tel: (503) 246-4653
7914 SW Barbur Blvd
Portland, OR 97219

Same guy I use. He does great/clean work.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

They just say if the weapon was in the trust prior to the 120 day grace period the trust can do it. Very few people legitimately had them in trust before now. .

But has the clock started running on the 120 days yet? I thought it was either (unlikely) in the trust before the rule was announced on Jan 13th or (more likley) in the trust before the rule is published

 

[wired]

But has the clock started running on the 120 days yet? I thought it was either (unlikely) in the trust before the rule was announced on Jan 13th or (more likley) in the trust before the rule is published

No one knows.

 

[lwarner]

the WA gun law video made it seem as though there was no option for trust to own non NFA item but that doesn't seem right? I'm sure I'm ignorant here so perhaps someone better informed can clear up any confusion.