EMT firearms training

[The Heretic]

I should have said she was I the coast guard so she has had that training before I believe she said she was trained on hand gun shot gun there

Coasties have range, marksmanship and safety training in boot camp.

When I became a petty officer, my CO sent me to LEO training in Seattle, which included shoot/don't shoot training. But back then only a small percentage of POs did that - even though all POs are technically LEOs.

That said, today, the USCG is under the DHS and much more all about LE - so I would imagine more POs get more LEO training.

 

[wayoutwest]

Being familiar with dispatch, when you say 'armed' or GSW to fire/medics, 99% of the time they are stagging until LEO arrives and secures the scene. Whether its a gun/knife/bat, they aren't trained or equipped to deal with the bad guy if he is still around.

Now in the case of a CHL holder with a medical problem, they wont know he is one unless they dig though is wallet and find his card or just happen to find a gun on him. If it's a medical call at a residence and they find guns laying around the house, these is also a very good chance they are going to call for LEO to respond. I think it would be good training for them to be able to secure the gun, make it safe, etc. But then your also going to be asking lots on "non gun" people to handle a multitude of guns that they wont be familiar with.

 

[Cigarlvr313]

"Now in the case of a CHL holder with a medical problem, they wont know he is one unless they dig though is wallet and find his card or just happen to find a gun on him"

Exactly!

 

[Nwcid]

As an EMS responder and instructor if there is any question of scene safety EMS will not go without LEO being their first and "securing" the scene.

I work in a very busy system and I have come across very few concealed firearms, which shocks me.

I have been many many houses with many guns. I, nor anyone else that I know of has called LEO simply for a person with guns in the house.

As far as EMS/Fire carrying firearms there is no law against it, mostly agency policy. There are many areas and states considering making EMS/Fire carry acceptable practice. If you haven't noticed they are right in the line of fire these days too. It is not for approaching or securing a scene, but for self defense if things go wrong.

Also the only time I go digging through someones pockets is to hand a wallet to an LEO.

 

[Medic!]

Is that what CPR stands for?

Check Pockets Right away.

 

[CoastRange57]

As an old school EMT I had to deal with firearms several times. Mostly dealt with securing weapons a patient had on them or in the vehicle, twice with securing a weapon at a suicide scene. My experience allowed me to do that, and we had several people usually with gun experience.

My son is a Marine Corps combat veteran and is now a paramedic. He has had to deal with a weapon one time, but the call came down as a head injury and it was unknown that is was a self inflicted non fatal GSW. He has had to take down a couple of patients, and assist LEO's a couple of times when people went ape sh*t in his medic unit.

Stage for police is standard, but in rural areas LEO can be 30 minutes, 40 minutes away,and a lot of times the paramedics will make that call to go or not go in based upon the situation and their own abilities and experience. Most are pretty good at that assessment.

That being said, there is a lot of unspoken and unwritten things happening in field EMS right now in rural areas anyway, and finding out that one of paramedics / EMT/ fire officers / firefighters / in the pickup/ on any given call MIGHT have a concealed weapon is not out of the possibility. I will not be surprised if Kevlar is not a standard issue in the next 5 years in a lot of departments.

 

[DirtyBird]

I've heard of "public safety" agencies in remote areas of California that function as both firefighters and LEO'S. Rifle racks in engine!

 

[DirtyBird]

I've heard of "public safety" agencies in remote areas of California that function as both firefighters and LEO'S. Rifle racks in engine!

Well okay, not exactly remote:

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[EPS]

A MVA with firearms involved is what's called a drive by shooting gone bad LOL

 

[geusterman]

One of the sad situations that recently happened in Burlington Washington at the mall murder is that EMS was not allowed in until the whole mall are secure. Victims bled out with .22 caliber wounds. My hope would be that EMS would develop security skills and police would develop EMS skills. As initial responders, our conceal-carry citizens need to develop both skills so that we can do life safety as well as provide the essential first aid as initial responders before first responders can access the scene.

 

[Brutus57]

I just moved from Orcas Is. or I would ask around. I know several EMTS and a couple of former Deputy Sheriffs of SJ County. I'd guess it would be FAM type training, not peace officer....as liberal as the islands are...there's a fair number of folks packin'

Brutus Out

 

[Riot]

FYI, active shooter response training is evolving to bring EMS personnel into the "warm zone" to recover/provide aid to victims.



The previous procedure was to have the police evacuate the wounded to the cold zone...or for EMS to wait until the active shooter is no longer a threat before attempting to provide aid. Now, EMS persons are added to LEO training to provide aid faster to downed victims in an attempt to save more lives.

 

[CoastRange57]

I am sure they have their reasons but on that escort taking EMS down the hall, I would sure feel better if one of those had a shotgun and one had a long gun at those ranges and one more person on the reverse cover as well. Anybody showing themselves is probably getting hosed.

 

[OutlawHoss]

Has anyone or is anyone a first responder other than police heard this ? My sister is a volunteer firefighter and EMT on one of the San Juan islands in WA State and her chief told her the other day that one of them has to take a firearms training class I'm guessing it's because there is no police or sheriff on the island they have to get s ferry ride to respond to calls on the island lol so her being my sister of course she volunteered any body else had to do this or heard of this

I think there is a lot of cross-training going on, probably more than we realize these days. My Father, a USCG Vietnam Vet (yes, there is such a thing) was an Fireman Engineer/Paramedic, and he told me about FBI/ATF training he received while in the department (San Diego County) during the late 70's and early 80's. They would report to a training facility in the desert and it did include a lot of explosives and firearms issues, but from what I remember the training was oriented primarily for Fire & Rescue first responders, particularly those who would be involved in the investigative side of things, or able to assist investigators. Don't remember much more detail than that.

 

[CoastRange57]

There is more than a few military combat veterans now working as paramedics. Not a huge number, and not enough but still out there. I would trust my field care to them.

 

[Oathkeeper1775]

The more training-the better; particularly with the increasing threats of non-attributional actors (militant-cowards hiding among civilians in their sleeper-cells); being able to infiltrate nearly any location.

Also, the EMS may be required to properly handle and secure firearms (and other things) on the scenes of auto accidents or structural situations.

The more training the better!

 

[No_Regerts]

I noticed EMT and Fire are blue label gun purchase eligible.

Ive had a few romps with perps that involved EMS being more than helpful.

 

[Modeler]

Why is that? Do they require law enforcement to be on scene first?

Yes.