Employer anti-carry policies - to risk your job or not.

[nwwoodsman]

Shopping at Walmart is like a hot chick wearing a minidress in downtown Portland.

Bad things are inevitable, and you probably asked for it.

And that is the dumbest bubblegum I've read on the internet today. Kind of like saying if you ever find yourself in a position where you have to use your carry weapon, you probably asked for it.

 

[Alexx1401]

And that is the dumbest bubblegum I've read on the internet today. Kind of like saying if you ever find yourself in a position where you have to use your carry weapon, you probably asked for it.

I when I read this thought surely it was meant in humor but, you never know I guess. Considering the HUGE volume of shopping done at Wally's they must be one of the safest places to go. Now of course a LOT has to do with both where the Wally happens to be and the time of shopping. The Wally's here used to be open 24 hours. They all stopped during this great hoax and far as I know none of them have gone back to that. Wife used to like to go in the middle of the night as there was so few there. More employee's than customers. That did make me nervous, due to the parking lot not the store. This is the same though no matter what name in on the store. More about where it happens to be.

 

[RobMa]

"during this great hoax"

 

[Alexx1401]

"during this great hoax"

There is finally some push back on this. As always happens when people who have long had wet dreams of real power taste it they over reach. Amazing how far they were able to push though. They will pull back a little and wait a while. They got to see just how easy it was to get people to throw down freedom for the promise of being taken care of

 

[RobMa]

There is finally some push back on this. As always happens when people who have long had wet dreams of real power taste it they over reach. Amazing how far they were able to push though. They will pull back a little and wait a while. They got to see just how easy it was to get people to throw down freedom for the promise of being taken care of

Yes, very sad. On Oct 25th the king county mandate went into effect requiring all restaurant owners to demand too see peoples vaccination "passports" (feel like Russia yet?) I was waiting for take out (since I was not dining in he could not ask me, I would have told him to f_uck off weather I had the jab or not) and I watched with horror when a group of young people gleefully pulled out their phones to comply and let a complete stranger know about their private medical information. I think that scares me the most, the mindless sheep that comply with their masters. Just like the "good people" of Germany in the 1940's

 

[RobMa]

Here's the plan:
In the ongoing effort to turn this country into a socialist/communist regime.
First we over inflate a flu bug to make everyone terrified.
Then we over inflate the amount of people that have died from it.
Then we capitalize on that fear to institute draconian rules and mandates under the guise of safety.
Those severely affected (lose jobs and end up on the street) then become dependent upon the state.
Those who wish to engage in life must give up their privacy (obedient sheeple) and if not be ostracized and shunned from society; yet another means to force people into compliance and obedience.

If enough people refuse to comply and show venues their vaccination "passport" then those businesses either refuse to enforce it and get fined out of existence or they go under because of a lack of patronage.

As a result with no customers and no money end up needing once again to rely on the state for assistance.

And there's not enough room in this thread to get into the purposeful and intentional attempt to pit everyone against one another.

Granted there are more nuances to this but I think everyone gets the ultimate idea of what's going on here.

And lastly and more importantly to most of us who engage in discussions on this page "One important key to this plan is that an obedient and dependent population can not be allowed to own firearms!"

 

[Flopsweat]

This is worth a watch

In my own - I have carried against an employer's wishes before, and would again. MY life is worth more than any job, and no policy designed to protect the company will stop a violent crime from happening, so I won't let any policy restrict how *I* protect myself.

The last time I worked for someone (been self employed for years) they found out I carried, asked / told me not to. I still carried. Found out from someone who wound up being a business partner, our former boss had a talk with him about it (the legality of such being questionable, since the other person wasn't my supervisor and was just a fellow employee back then) - my coworker pointed out to the boss that his reaction was because he was scared of liability - what if I shot someone, he could get sued - my friend / coworker pointed out "what if he gets hurt and could've prevented it with his gun, you're getting sued anyway at that point" - and the issue was dropped. This was a small business and not a major corporation.

Unless they have metal detectors or pat downs, I would carry. The day they institute pat downs / metal detectors, I'm out.

OMG that guy likes the sound of his own voice doesn't he? That was a two minute story and he drug it out forever. I finally just turned it off after fast forwarding twice.

 

[bradsteen]

And this is why we can't have nice things. Man, this thread has gone way off topic.

 

[RobMa]

And this is why we can't have nice things. Man, this thread has gone way off topic.

I mentioned guns in my post..

 

[daved20319]

My wife's job requires her to work in one of the crappy parts of Portland, the Hawthorne District. ( ya it's hard to find many areas in town that don't earn that title now ).
Even though she has her carry permit, she is prevented from using it because of her employers strict no weapons policy.
About 10 hours ago, she found herself danger close to a fatal shooting while working.
Since I have always been in occupations that required carry, my response is predictable, to hell with the job, if you don't feel safe, do what you have to, you can always find another job if it comes to that.
While she is shaken by being danger close to tonight's shooting, she hates the idea of giving up several years invested in her job.
If this was your wife, what would you say to her ?

I haven't read through the whole thread, but this comes down to a couple of simple questions. Did she know the policy when she took the job? Did she agree to abide by the policy? If both answers are yes, either do as she promised, or find another job. It comes down to integrity, either you have it or you don't. The only other option is to try and convince the employer to change their policy. Later.

Dave

 

[RobMa]

Ways to be heard about the jab mandates!!
https://www.regulations.gov/commenton/OSHA-2021-0007-0001

 

[Ducati_Meister]

When I worked in Asset Protection at a major retailer, they had a big sign in the HR office stating their anti gun stance. Given I was dealing with the same poo bags LE deal with everyday, I always CC'd my G43 on me. I also figured being a smaller person, the disparity of force was always on my mind. I had my CPL so I was within the confines of the law as far as I was concerned.

 

[RobMa]

When I worked in Asset Protection at a major retailer, they had a big sign in the HR office stating their anti gun stance. Given I was dealing with the same poo bags LE deal with everyday, I always CC'd my G43 on me. I also figured being a smaller person, the disparity of force was always on my mind. I had my CPL so I was within the confines of the law as far as I was concerned.

Forgive me but "asset protection" usually means "security guard" and as such it would be hard pressed to think your experience was anything near that of actually police officers... but I digress. I could understand your trepidation, people hate security guards even more then cops so I would want to carry as well if I was in your position.

 

[Alexx1401]

Forgive me but "asset protection" usually means "security guard" and as such it would be hard pressed to think your experience was anything near that of actually police officers... but I digress. I could understand your trepidation, people hate security guards even more then cops so I would want to carry to if I was in your position.

I did the "rent a cop" thing for decades. It was always a "weekend job" when I had spare time and wanted extra cash. I of course carried. I also of course was NEVER willing to put myself in "harms way" for that min wage job. Figured my job was to "be seen" and call for real Cops if needed. Only reason I carried was if someone decided to attack me and I could not beat feet out of there. The guys who did the Loss Prevention thing that were supposed to actually go after the scum? I used to look at that and think "I would have to be going hungry" to take that job. Now flash forward to lawyers, many of these LP jobs they are ordered to NOT try to physically stop the scum. Now that's fine for a make some bucks job. Same with the armed guys who drive cash around. That one I could never get my head around. Miserable pay, miserable places to work, real chance someone might kill you for what you are "guarding", and they never had lack of people who wanted the damn job I had a couple places try to get me to come do that for them. For the same money I made to sit in some office or at some site, put myself in real danger? I used to politely tell them no thanks, I just want to make some beer money here.

 

[Ducati_Meister]

Forgive me but "asset protection" usually means "security guard" and as such it would be hard pressed to think your experience was anything near that of actually police officers... but I digress. I could understand your trepidation, people hate security guards even more then cops so I would want to carry to if I was in your position.

I never presented myself to people as a "cop wannabe", as it was a gig I did before going to school after the service. Unarmed security roles wasn't fulfilling for me and in the end, I found my calling working with RF systems and networks. You're right about people having a dislike of security guards vs. LE. Lol

 

[RobMa]

I did the "rent a cop" thing for decades. It was always a "weekend job" when I had spare time and wanted extra cash. I of course carried. I also of course was NEVER willing to put myself in "harms way" for that min wage job. Figured my job was to "be seen" and call for real Cops if needed. Only reason I carried was if someone decided to attack me and I could not beat feet out of there. The guys who did the Loss Prevention thing that were supposed to actually go after the scum? I used to look at that and think "I would have to be going hungry" to take that job. Now flash forward to lawyers, many of these LP jobs they are ordered to NOT try to physically stop the scum. Now that's fine for a make some bucks job. Same with the armed guys who drive cash around. That one I could never get my head around. Miserable pay, miserable places to work, real chance someone might kill you for what you are "guarding", and they never had lack of people who wanted the damn job I had a couple places try to get me to come do that for them. For the same money I made to sit in some office or at some site, put myself in real danger? I used to politely tell them no thanks, I just want to make some beer money here.

I did the SG stint for a while as well, I; for lack of a more precise word "lateraled" over to actual police work. I was asked numerous times by the security company that I worked for to take other "guard duties" but chose no to do so knowing full well that in the end I was still just a security guard with no real authority and as such did not want to make the effort... Nowadays a lot of security guards (with the help of their employers) delude themselves into thinking they have the same authority as cops and sadly I know of numerous occasions where guards went over the line and ended up in cuffs themselves...

 

[mkwerx]

I did the SG stint for a while as well, I; for lack of a more precise word "lateraled" over to actual police work. I was asked numerous times by the security company that I worked for to take other "guard duties" but chose no to do so knowing full well that in the end I was still just a security guard with no real authority and as such did not want to make the effort... Nowadays a lot of security guards (with the help of their employers) delude themselves into thinking they have the same authority as cops and sadly I know of numerous occasions where guards went over the line and ended up in cuffs themselves...

I worked for a clown like that when I was doing security monkey work. The last guy I worked for was a nutter. We had light bars on our vehicles - red and amber lights (the red being a no-no) *with sirens* in at least two of the vehicles. One actually had a radar gun - because "we have private properties that asked us to enforce the 5mph limit in the lot" - his justification for red lights, sirens, and functional radar in the vehicle.

Instead of just referring to us as "security guards" or "security officers" like our state papers said - we were "security enforcement AGENTS" and he tried getting us to wear tac-vests with the word "AGENT" on the back in 4 inch tall golden letters. That was a no go for all but the truest-believers.

A friend of mine who also worked there was pulled over one night at the start of his patrol shift - in the car with the red lights / siren / radar. Said friend was actually a reserve police officer at the time, and was pulled over by a Clackamas County deputy who he'd gone thru reserve training with. CCSO deputy told him "find a new employer, guy you work for is a martian and is gonna get you arrested some day"

I hit my wits end not long after that myself, when listening to the boss one night on the radio insisting our dispatcher call Washington County dispatch to "run for wants and warrants" a pair of juveniles he "stopped" on a client property - he'd some how roped Hillsboro School District into giving us a contract. HE chose to patrol those properties himself. I was working an armed onsite gig, we all shared a radio channel with patrol. Listening to our dispatch tell him "they said let them go, they're not running for wants or warrants" and he was insisting... like dude, you made a goddamned false arrest right there - unlawful detention. They were kids making out in a car in the parking lot of a high school on a weekend night - they weren't planting pipe bombs, breaking into the computer labs, or planning a mass shooting. Just a pair of horny teenagers away from their parents.

I jumped into towing & roadside a very short time later, and was so glad to have been away from that sh!tshow of a company. They are, somehow, still in business under the same owner. Maybe he calmed his tits, maybe he's just lucky. I dunno. Hes not my problem anymore. He had a serious problem understanding the difference between police work and private security work.

 

[RobMa]

I worked for a clown like that when I was doing security monkey work. The last guy I worked for was a nutter. We had light bars on our vehicles - red and amber lights (the red being a no-no) *with sirens* in at least two of the vehicles. One actually had a radar gun - because "we have private properties that asked us to enforce the 5mph limit in the lot" - his justification for red lights, sirens, and functional radar in the vehicle.

Instead of just referring to us as "security guards" or "security officers" like our state papers said - we were "security enforcement AGENTS" and he tried getting us to wear tac-vests with the word "AGENT" on the back in 4 inch tall golden letters. That was a no go for all but the truest-believers.

A friend of mine who also worked there was pulled over one night at the start of his patrol shift - in the car with the red lights / siren / radar. Said friend was actually a reserve police officer at the time, and was pulled over by a Clackamas County deputy who he'd gone thru reserve training with. CCSO deputy told him "find a new employer, guy you work for is a martian and is gonna get you arrested some day"

I hit my wits end not long after that myself, when listening to the boss one night on the radio insisting our dispatcher call Washington County dispatch to "run for wants and warrants" a pair of juveniles he "stopped" on a client property - he'd some how roped Hillsboro School District into giving us a contract. HE chose to patrol those properties himself. I was working an armed onsite gig, we all shared a radio channel with patrol. Listening to our dispatch tell him "they said let them go, they're not running for wants or warrants" and he was insisting... like dude, you made a goddamned false arrest right there - unlawful detention. They were kids making out in a car in the parking lot of a high school on a weekend night - they weren't planting pipe bombs, breaking into the computer labs, or planning a mass shooting. Just a pair of horny teenagers away from their parents.

I jumped into towing & roadside a very short time later, and was so glad to have been away from that sh!tshow of a company. They are, somehow, still in business under the same owner. Maybe he calmed his tits, maybe he's just lucky. I dunno. Hes not my problem anymore. He had a serious problem understanding the difference between police work and private security work.

When I was still working I had to deal with a lot of things like that, you could just tell when one of them would be so pissed when they could not huddle with the rest of us (commissioned officers) when we were called out to a disturbance. Most LEO'S would ask them to stand back to the side while we did our jobs.

 

[RobMa]

Here's the plan:
In the ongoing effort to turn this country into a socialist/communist regime.
First we over inflate a flu bug to make everyone terrified.
Then we over inflate the amount of people that have died from it.
Then we capitalize on that fear to institute draconian rules and mandates under the guise of safety.
Those severely affected (lose jobs and end up on the street) then become dependent upon the state.
Those who wish to engage in life must give up their privacy (obedient sheeple) and if not be ostracized and shunned from society; yet another means to force people into compliance and obedience.

If enough people refuse to comply and show venues their vaccination "passport" then those businesses either refuse to enforce it and get fined out of existence or they go under because of a lack of patronage.

As a result with no customers and no money end up needing once again to rely on the state for assistance.

And there's not enough room in this thread to get into the purposeful and intentional attempt to pit everyone against one another.

Granted there are more nuances to this but I think everyone gets the ultimate idea of what's going on here.

And lastly and more importantly to most of us who engage in discussions on this page "One important key to this plan is that an obedient and dependent population can not be allowed to own firearms!"

 

[Andy54Hawken]

Carry or not....
You make the choice....Just also be sure that you are willing to accept the consequences for your choice.

Since you are the one in the situation...you must weigh the risk versus the various outcomes.
If the risk is outweighs any benefits ....then I suggest not doing it...
If the positive outcomes out weigh the risk...then do as you see fit.
Andy