Employee's car...

[ApronAmy]

Man, you guys worry too much. Who's gonna know?

Ha ha! You sound like my boyfriend... he is constantly telling me I worry too much, about everything under the sun.

Eh, I say it gives my brain something to do so I don't cause too much trouble.

 

[Wenis]

Keep your mouth shut and leave it in YOUR CAR. Not the company car, YOUR CAR. They can't search it.

I swear people get on the internet to nit pick about the stupidest things.

 

[jvbutter]

I work for big chip maker. Policy is no weapons on company property. Now if its locked in your car under your seat, in glove box, how will they know. Yes them stating you cant have it in your car is violation, however they make the rules. Also concealed carry states certain places you cant carry, and also private property rules/regulations. So they see your gun, find out what ever, fire you... go to court, get job back, then get fired later for something else later... the employer is holding the gold... just don't say anything.

 

[Teufel_Hunden]

My company makes you sign as part of your employment agreement that you'll allow your private possesions to be searched if asked (including your vehicle).

I'd not actually allow it if cornered but....

T_H

 

[deen_ad]

My company makes you sign as part of your employment agreement that you'll allow your private possesions to be searched if asked (including your vehicle).

I'd not actually allow it if cornered but....

T_H

they can fire you on the spot. As an "at will" employment state, you can refuse, and they can fire you for refusing at any time.

My employer has been asked about carrying on the job, his comment was "you have a permit don't you? Just don't do anything stupid"

Deen
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[Gunner69]

I work for big chip maker. Policy is no weapons on company property. Now if its locked in your car under your seat, in glove box, how will they know. Yes them stating you cant have it in your car is violation, however they make the rules. Also concealed carry states certain places you cant carry, and also private property rules/regulations. So they see your gun, find out what ever, fire you... go to court, get job back, then get fired later for something else later... the employer is holding the gold... just don't say anything.

I'd be willing to bet that we work for the same company. If so then you should have heard that an MT got fired about a year or so ago simply because a co-worker told his OM that he had a gun in his car. OM asked the employee, employee denied it. OM asked to search his vehicle which he also denied. Wa. Co. Sheriff was called employee was placed on leave and escorted from the property until HR could figure out how to cover their corporate butts... Took about a week.

To the OP:

As I said in my first post. Oregon is an At Will state they don't have to give you a reason you can be fired on the spot for what "they" feel is just cause. You own your own safety, you also own your own employability. Your company has laid out a very clear cut rule regarding weapons on company property. There are 3 paths from what I can see.

1: Ignore the rule and leave your gun in your car. You risk losing your job and you ability to provide for your family. If your employer finds out or even suspects the presence of a firearm in your vehicle.

2: Follow the rule and start searching for a more 2nd Amendment friendly employer. Im sure in this stunning economy that shouldn't be too hard. The risk here is not being able to find something anytime in the near future, and/or being attacked and potentially not being able to provide for your family.

3: This is the option I have choosen for myself because I truly like where I work and the chance of attack is far lower than the chance of a fellow co-worker having a grudge and lying about the presence of a firearm in my vehicle. I leave my carry gun at home and have replaced it with a T-ball bat that resides rigth next to my door. Small enough to be wielded in the close quarters of a vehicle in a pinch. Easily accesible, not normally viewed as a "weapon", and a much reduced risk of any work related issues that could affect my ability to provide for my family.


Ultimately it's your job, your life, your decision to make. I'm not trying to be preachy or overbearing but it really is all about common sense at some point. The policy was in place when you got hired, you agreed to the policy, You know the potential risks versus the potential benefits. Make the choice that most closely fits your personal beliefs, and the one that you can live with the consequenses if the worst case happens.

 

[SleepynSeattle]

Back when I was a Maintenance Man for Nordstrom, I remember being told at orientation that any employee vehicle, parked on company property, was subject to search at any time. From what I remember, they were talking about random searches for stolen company property, drugs and/or alcohol, and weapons. Random??? Seriously??? When the "loss prevention" manager who was giving that part of orientation said that, I told him that company policy does not dictate away personal freedom rights. He argued that the company had the right to dictate terms of employment, which includes "safety" checks of personal property. I told him that the mall parking lot doesn't belong to the company, and if he wanted to search either my person or my vehicle than he'd better (A) Be a cop. (B) Have a search warrant or probably cause...........because I was perfectly willing to defend my property with appropriate force. We never did get along after that.

 

[jvbutter]

bottom line is... 1) do u like your job 2) do you like certain other places that tell u to leave your gun at home... weather they are breaking the law or no writing rules you don't like, if u want to be apart of them play by there rules, just as friends you like what they do or don't do, you choose to be apart of them. A friend of mine says he doesn't like me to carry around him and his family, do i carry, No. I like him and to me its not a big deal... what about you???

 

[Tactical SS]

From my understanding they can restrict it on their property, which can include the parking lot. It's not illegal to violate their "rules" but, at least in my company, it will get you fired immediately (if they find out). I whole-heartedly do not agree with this policy.

 

[Redcap]

3: This is the option I have choosen for myself because I truly like where I work and the chance of attack is far lower than the chance of a fellow co-worker having a grudge and lying about the presence of a firearm in my vehicle. I leave my carry gun at home and have replaced it with a T-ball bat that resides rigth next to my door. Small enough to be wielded in the close quarters of a vehicle in a pinch. Easily accesible, not normally viewed as a "weapon", and a much reduced risk of any work related issues that could affect my ability to provide for my family.

I just feel that I need to bring this up...have you ever been hit with a baseball bat? It will NOT reliably stop a threat, even less so depending on the level of the aggressor's motivation.

 

[Redcap]

bottom line is... 1) do u like your job 2) do you like certain other places that tell u to leave your gun at home... weather they are breaking the law or no writing rules you don't like, if u want to be apart of them play by there rules, just as friends you like what they do or don't do, you choose to be apart of them. A friend of mine says he doesn't like me to carry around him and his family, do i carry, No. I like him and to me its not a big deal... what about you???

So you jeopardize your own safety because one of your friends is afraid of guns? Doesn't sound like much of a friend or man to me.

 

[spengo]

I generally ignore any lame firearms rules if they won't get me a felony for breaking them. I don't have a lot to lose though. If I happened to be working for an anti-gun employer and someone somehow magically happened to notice a concealed p238 on me the worst that would happen is I lose my job and then go chill with my parents until I get a new one.

But yeah... I really don't worry about it. I managed to conceal a fullsize CZ-75 when I was in college. As long as there isn't some big horrible GUN shape printing under your shirt no one ever notices a thing.

And in the car? PFFT. The only way for anyone to find it is for them to break into your car like at Sleepy's office. If they do that, maybe you should look for work elsewhere lol. And then press charges against them. If you work at an anti-gun place just never talk about guns in the office or with coworkers. No one will even suspect you are secretly one of those crazy right wing terrorist gun owners.

 

[chemist]

3: This is the option I have choosen for myself because I truly like where I work and the chance of attack is far lower than the chance of a fellow co-worker having a grudge and lying about the presence of a firearm in my vehicle. I leave my carry gun at home and have replaced it with a T-ball bat that resides rigth next to my door. Small enough to be wielded in the close quarters of a vehicle in a pinch. Easily accesible, not normally viewed as a "weapon", and a much reduced risk of any work related issues that could affect my ability to provide for my family.

Might I suggest that if you're going to carry a bat in your car, include a ball and glove as well.

I think it was in Doctor Zhivago where a guy carried a knife - wrapped up in a napkin with a fork and spoon.

 

[glockguy]

bottom line is... 1) do u like your job 2) do you like certain other places that tell u to leave your gun at home... weather they are breaking the law or no writing rules you don't like, if u want to be apart of them play by there rules, just as friends you like what they do or don't do, you choose to be apart of them. A friend of mine says he doesn't like me to carry around him and his family, do i carry, No. I like him and to me its not a big deal... what about you???

I will carry around my friends all I want... if my friend doesn't like guns it will be CONCEALED which means no one will see it... which is the idea in the first place... I will not leave my protection at home just cause someone else doesn't like it.. i think not... If they continue to complain they dont need to hang around me... simple..

 

[JC9995]

Sorry guys, I have no link to post. But I beleive that it is mandated by law, that the company MUST allow firearms to be stored in your car, even on company property. I just tried finding it but I came up empty handed. Maybe I made it all up in my head?

 

[dragonsden73]

I'm in the same situation. My company has been known, in other states, to check employees vehicles unannounced. You don't let them, you go on a permanent vacation.

For me, it all comes down to this:

YouTube - Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment!

 

[dobeman]

Keep your mouth shut and leave it in YOUR CAR. Not the company car, YOUR CAR. They can't search it.

I swear people get on the internet to nit pick about the stupidest things.

Exactly! Don't brag to the buddies about having it out there. It's your secret. Someone could have a grudge against you, know you keep a gun in your car, and tell a company official that you are acting disgruntled and have a gun in the car. Not sure what rights the company has to prove you have a gun in your car... so what wenis said - shut up about it.

 

[HahnsXD]

Well FWIW my Employee handbook says "No firearms are allowed in an employee's vehicle unless approved by management". Since I got my CPL I've just been leaving my gun in my truck anyways without permission.

I brought this up to my boss/company owner and told him that I have a CPL and that I carry and want to get permission to store my gun in my truck at work. I was surprised to learn that he also has a CPL but he didn't really know anything about the rule and said he would get back to me, he never did and I still leave it in my truck while I'm at work.

 

[madderg]

I started this thread to see how many people are willing to compromise their rights..too many! How a company feels or thinks about this has no bearing on the simple fact that they can not, by law do this. That doesn't mean I want anyone to storm the front office and demand it be changed. What we should be doing is to organize our work place associates and get the information out, and consolidate this information in a form that can be taken to HR for them to see. I would also be a good idea to get your state reps. and senators involved. Their name on a piece of paper goes a long way at the front office. Don't put your jobs on the line...but don't forget that they are paying you because you are doing them a service. Good luck to all.

 

[pchewn]

I have mixed feelings about this.

On the one hand, I am in favor of an employer's right to dictate the job, the pay, the work conditions, and see who wants the job on the open market. Employers should not be overly burdened by state and federal laws telling them who to hire, how much to pay, what hours to work, whether to allow or restrict guns, etc.

On the other hand, I think most (bigger) companies have their lawers and insurance people set these policies without regard to the individual employee. The policy is not enforced until there is a complaint. So if you keep quiet, and keep it concealed you and the company should be able to get along quite well.

Going to the company and asking them to change the policy might be a bad idea. Who's car do you then think will be "randomly" selected for inspection?

The companies are basically acting in a "don't ask, don't tell" manner. It works until you tell or they ask.


PS: I don't think any employee has the "right" to bear arms AND retain his job. All jobs are temporary, and employers/employees can terminate at any time and for any reason.

And another thing: Don't think for a minute that the employer should/will/must enforce this policy equally at all times. Valuable employees will be treated differently than marginal or average employees. It will probably also depend on how much noise is made by the person making the complaint.