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Elbows out, or Elbows tucked in

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by TonsOfOregonBrass, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. TonsOfOregonBrass

    TonsOfOregonBrass Sandy, OR Active Member

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    Just wondering how everyone shoots. I personally shoot with my elbows as close to my chest as i can get.

    how many others shoot this way? Or are you an elbow out parallel to the ground shooter?
     
  2. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I voted elbows in, close to the chest, but I did that thinking about pistol shooting. When shooting rifle or shotgun, I have my elbows more out. Right elbow almost parallel to the ground and left elbow at about 45 degrees. I shoot right handed.
     
  3. cameronhu

    cameronhu Ridgefield, Wa Member

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    I shoot left elbow (supporting hand) in right elbow out- so the polling option don't work so well for me...
     
  4. wayoutwest

    wayoutwest Polk County, Oregon Active Member

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    I voted elbows in....

    Some random guy at the range one day was telling me about lowering my arms/elbows to approx the width of my shoulders...about how it is more compact, controlled, less of a target and uses less energy...it made sense at the time and works well for med...so with that elbows close to the chest...
     
  5. easysteve

    easysteve Salem, Oregon Member

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    Plz no chicken winggg, It kills me when I see it.
     
  6. 56kninja

    56kninja Portland Member

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    Elbows in.

    Elbows out is natural to do. But it's bad form. I've learned this both in shooting, and in martial arts.
     
  7. powersbj

    powersbj Seattle Area Active Member

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    Supporting elbow down shooting elbow out... I dont pretend to be on a swat team when I shoot. Also depends on how Im using my sling.
     
  8. TonsOfOregonBrass

    TonsOfOregonBrass Sandy, OR Active Member

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    i see so many videos and people at ranges who put the shooting elbow out. for me it is not comfortable. I try to keep everything on my body close in. I find it easier to support and more stable.

    can anyone explain the benefit of shooting elbow out? I just don't see an advantage to it over keeping your elbow in.
     
  9. Starship

    Starship NE Portland Active Member

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    right now I shhot with both elbows pretty much in close. See if that continues after my lesson.

    BTW, I'm with Cougfan on the shot gun thing.
    Cougfan, I'm guessing you've spent some time at Hillsboro Trap and Skeet club??
     
  10. spider

    spider Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    Elbows close to the chest, when I get bored i like to put my chest rig on with 10 clips full of 20 rnds of .308 and carry my socom 16 around the house, swinging around corners and such, and having my eblows as close to my chest as possible makes it easier to swing this mass of steel around corners.
     
  11. Selftest

    Selftest Bellingham, WA Member

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    Rifles and shotguns: Elbows tucked in, chest and shoulders squared with target. Line of the bore right in the pit between pectoral and shoulder joint. feet about shoulder width apart, knees slightly bent, head low and good cheek weld.

    Word of advice: If you watch military men/women fire a rifle, they offer have their head high and the bore line ABOVE the shoulder. This is improper form, but is more comfortable to do while wearing armor and kit. Try to avoid this technique if possible.

    With this stance, there is almost NO muzzle rise on ARs or shotguns.

    Pistol: Arms tucked, gun thrust out in front, shoulders squared towards target. Elbows slightly bent.
     
  12. Cougfan2

    Cougfan2 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    I've been there a few times. Nice facility and reasonably priced. I've also shot at Tri-County quite a bit when I was a member there. Actually looking into getting into more clays shooting this next year. I had a hiatus with some cataract surgery and other health issues, but am interested in getting back into the game.

    PM me if you'd like to bust some clays some time. :thumbup:
     
  13. Hondo

    Hondo Keizer Member

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    Ha! Ha! Ha! Spider. You sound like me on a Saturday night when the wife and kids are out of town. God......What the neighbors must think?
     
  14. crosse

    crosse Bellevue Active Member

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    what i've learned is if you're doing distance shooting standing, chicken wing is the proper way to create a stable pocket for the rifle butt.

    its only tacti-cool to keep elbows in.

    i only chicken wing when standing and using a deliberate sling.
     
  15. Selftest

    Selftest Bellingham, WA Member

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    Crosse, I have a little experiment for you to partake in next time you're at a range with a friend/loved one. All firearm safety rules apply.


    Test 1: Stand with the "chicken wing" stance and have your partner try and move you. Keep sights on target and WATCH the movement of your POA.

    Test 2: Same test with elbows tucked, shoulders rolled forward, knees bent, chest squared with target.

    As far as chicken-winging forming a better pocket... Well, that's pretty false. Your shoulder rotating that high de-stabilizes the platform. Elbows tucked is ALMOST a shoulders "natural" resting position. You can hold a elbows-tucked position for much longer without fatigue. Try it.

    Tacti-cool is NOT a factor in how some of us shoot, buy items, or outfit ourselves.
     
  16. crosse

    crosse Bellevue Active Member

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    are you using a sling to shoot selftest?

    one thing I can tell you, the chicken wing "stance" is one that I have only used briefly after rifle marksmanship training. however using this method has improved my standing shooting immensely. the use of the chicken wing with this squared against the target allows me to use my sling properly.

    as you can see, its whatever floats your boat. good example of high level competition shooters doing both ways.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URRudJO6CHc
    but the elbow in way seems a little funky to me.

    and yes, having my left elbow tucked in tightly against my rib cage does help rest the weight of the rifle on my body vs using muscles to maintain it in shooting position.
     
  17. Selftest

    Selftest Bellingham, WA Member

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    I'm assuming our needs/wants are different, here.

    Of course, it always comes down to personal preference. My first and foremost concern when firing a "fighting" weapon is to ingrain sound "tactical" training at all times. I don't, and have never, loaded a single round into my AR and fired it, waited 30 seconds, and repeated. My only reason for owning an AR (besides the fun factor, of course) is to have a tool for self-defense.

    I do find, however, that I use the same stance when firing a shotgun. It is more comfortable than other methods, for me.

    And to answer your question, yes, I use slings. Single, two-point, and even a three point occasionally.
     
  18. crosse

    crosse Bellevue Active Member

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    I assume the OP was asking about distance shooting b/c the chicken wing method is pretty limited to stationary long distance shooting and use with a sling. I doubt he was asking about cqb drilling. But maybe he's talking about pistol shooting?

    but I would like to say, the chicken wing method is a "combat" oriented method. There's a few guys who are known to be pretty good shots using that method in combat.
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/432351/USMC-MCRP-301A-Rifle-Marksmanship
     
  19. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    Play some paintball if you want to know how to shoot...you would tuck your love handles in if you could.
     
  20. wakejoe

    wakejoe Beaverton, OR Well-Known Member

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    Edited. Most here wouldn't get it.