Effect of 9mm Black Talon Autopsy

doobee8 · Oct 17, 2015

The black coating was called "Lubalox". It oxidized the copper and they still use it.

Raidingtime · Oct 18, 2015

Sam Kinard said:
I use the Winchester Ranger .45acp 230gr. +P SXT and am very happy with performance. For me, I would only trade them for Hornady Critical Duty 220gr. +P Interlock or Federal 230gr. HST.

In a 9mm, I'll take the 147gr. HST every time, followed very closely by the Hornady Critical Duty 135gr. +P Interlock.

In the end, today's bullet construction is amazing and bonded or homogenous projectiles work very well across the board from most all manufacturers in virtually any caliber.

Where have you been able to find 147 gr HST? I've find sometimes at Sportsmans. Expensive but awesome round.

ocarolan · Oct 19, 2015

Hedrin said:
Can you believe the Black Talon round was mentioned in an episode of NCIS New Orleans. The autopsy doctor was horrified by them saying "We've been trying to get these outlawed for years!"

I'm sure teflon-coated Black Talon works even better from the barrel of a Glock 7!!

Sam Kinard · Oct 24, 2015

Raidingtime said:
Where have you been able to find 147 gr HST? I've find sometimes at Sportsmans. Expensive but awesome round.

A few at Sportsman's in K. Falls, but most are from a supply built up over a few years from gun shows, the internet and deals with fellow shooters. I see Hydra-Shok everywhere, but the HST in 9x19 and .45acp are very hard to find.

Depending upon what you're doing, don't sell the 135 gr. +P Critical Duty load from Hornady. It is a wonderful round and available everywhere. The "standard pressure" load runs 100fps slower and is still wonderful if the +P is too much for you or your handgun.

I've also been trying the Sig Sauer 147gr. V-Crown and several loads from HPR using the Hornady XTP. So far I have been impressed with both, but not so far as to replace the HST and Critical Duty loads.

I'm generally firing these through a Browning Hi-Power, whatever that is worth.

Raidingtime · Oct 24, 2015

Sam Kinard said:
A few at Sportsman's in K. Falls, but most are from a supply built up over a few years from gun shows, the internet and deals with fellow shooters. I see Hydra-Shok everywhere, but the HST in 9x19 and .45acp are very hard to find.

Depending upon what you're doing, don't sell the 135 gr. +P Critical Duty load from Hornady. It is a wonderful round and available everywhere. The "standard pressure" load runs 100fps slower and is still wonderful if the +P is too much for you or your handgun.

I've also been trying the Sig Sauer 147gr. V-Crown and several loads from HPR using the Hornady XTP. So far I have been impressed with both, but not so far as to replace the HST and Critical Duty loads.

I'm generally firing these through a Browning Hi-Power, whatever that is worth.

I've got HST 120ish grain 9mm low recoil in my Shield currently. I only have enough to fill the mags and to shoot another mag or two of it. I would like to get more but the stuff is expensive and hard to find.

Thanks for the info. I always keep my eyes open for it whenever I'm at a retailer.

soberups · Oct 25, 2015

doobee8 said:
It's in Spanish but very graphic.
YouTube Link

In all fairness, look at the shot placement. Upper left chest. We don't know the angle of the bullet but it is an almost perfect center-of-mass shot with a direct hit to the heart and one lung. Any decent hollowpoint from a service-caliber handgun (9mm, .38Special, .357, .40 or .45) hitting in that location is going to make a similar mess out of the bad guy's insides. The video doesn't really prove that the Black Talon is superior to any other round. I load my Glocks with your basic Remington 115 gr +P JHP's that can be bought at Cabela's for under $30 for a box of 50. At that price, I can afford to practice with them and know that they run 100% reliably with no feeding issues. Do they make the same sized hole in a block of Jello as a Black Talon? I don't know and I don't care. They hit where I aim them and they feed absolutely reliably in my guns and that is what matters the most to me.