Drawback with high-end handguns.

[oknow]

one draw back to high end pistols is they dont work any better than a standard glock and thats the truth a glock just goes bang every time for 500.00 you can through it down jump on it stick it in the sand and piss on it and it goes bang try that with your custom 15 18 22 hundred dollar gun she might be ugly but she is faithful and dependable and has my back i think im in love ......kenny

will your standard glock shoot 1.5 to 3" groups of 10 shots at 50 yards?

 

[Classic]

You need a maddafakkin bushing wrench to strip em'!

Jokes aside, I did give myself a nice Xmas present in the shape of a Les Baer.
And it sure is schweet!

Had a SIG 1911 before, which was the gateway drug into the 1911's. So it wasn't the cheapest of the cheap to start with (way better than a Kimber that costs 4-500 bucks more (that one will get me some HOT responces!)) but also not the 'semi custom' greatness.
Since I'm fortunate enough to have set myself up for a 'low expense' living (so I can have fun toys like guns, musclecars and motorcycles) I decided it was time for the top tier of handguns.
And nobody makes them better than Mr Baer!

Drawback #2: no I can never again blame the gun for my poor ability!

We have allot in common! I too have a muscle car (69 convertible Camaro), motorcycle (Gold Wing) & a Les Baer (Thunder Ranch Special). You will love your Les Baer!!! Yes, the bushing is tight, so what! Sounds to me like someone is jealous!
So, whatcha got? Picks or you're blowing smoke

PS My Les Baer has never had a malfunction of any sort and is incredibly accurate! There aint no glock out there that will group like a Les Baer unless it's been worked over so it costs every bit as much!

 

[PuddleMonkey]

one draw back to high end pistols is they dont work any better than a standard glock and thats the truth

Glock Gen 4 problems have been widely publicized.

 

[oknow]

Baer's are known for being too tight. Its no secret or mystery.

An improperly built "tight" 1911 may have issues. Having a smith who actually knows how to build a hard use gun amd understands the platform they're working on is the biggie. Look at a SACS Pro or guns turned out by Rogers etc.

I know les baer's are tight I'm just wondering where he got that one won't last as long as a mil spec.

 

[Jammer Six]

Where I got it? On the firing line. I'm a safety officer for a couple different leagues as well as an instructor.

It's usually bad enough that you can glance at the student's guns in the morning and know who is going to have trouble by the end of the day. Then you put them all in a group together so they don't hold the rest of the class up when they start to clean their guns. Tight guns don't tolerate carbon fouling as well as loose guns do, because you can fill the spaces between tight parts faster than you can fill the spaces between loose parts. And every shot adds more.

About 1600, the boutique gun owners start breaking out the cleaning kits while the milspec owners just move to the next station.

There's no reason for vault tight-- accuracy is gained by lockup, not a side to frame fit. But the boutique boys like you to believe it's all about the slide to frame fit, and they know that if you don't understand the gun well enough to know that it's not, then there's a whole bunch of other goods they can sell you.

If you haven't seen it yet, shoot more.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth from folks who spent large dollars for boutique guns can continue, now.

 

[orygun]

Where I got it? On the firing line. I'm a safety officer for a couple different leagues as well as an instructor.

It's usually bad enough that you can glance at the student's guns in the morning and know who is going to have trouble by the end of the day. Then you put them all in a group together so they don't hold the rest of the class up when they start to clean their guns. Tight guns don't tolerate carbon fouling as well as loose guns do, because you can fill the spaces between tight parts faster than you can fill the spaces between loose parts. And every shot adds more.

About 1600, the boutique gun owners start breaking out the cleaning kits while the milspec owners just move to the next station.

There's no reason for vault tight-- accuracy is gained by lockup, not a side to frame fit. But the boutique boys like you to believe it's all about the slide to frame fit, and they know that if you don't understand the gun well enough to know that it's not, then there's a whole bunch of other goods they can sell you.

If you haven't seen it yet, shoot more.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth from folks who spent large dollars for boutique guns can continue, now.

It's about time you "justified" your previous comments!

But it's the truth.
My old Colt has been worked over a little. The slide to frame is a little loose, but the lockup isn't and the gun chews the center out of the target. The Dan Wesson isn't as loose on the slide to frame, but the lockup is solid and it, too, is very accurate. The Colts that I've had that didn't have secure lockup, didn't shoot very well....

 

[iamme]

Again if built properly, tight isn't bad. And again I'll refer back to SACS. Ned Christiansen has his 50K Pro (that was last year don't know current). Or search for the thread on the warren tactical 9mm from SACS. Even though 9mm "won't run well" they can do it.

 

[cookie]

Ignore him he knows not he just thinks he does.

While it is really hard to discern preconceived notions from actual facts. But the actual fact is ,,,, I do know.

 

[kickstart my heart]

one draw back to high end pistols is they dont work any better than a standard glock and thats the truth a glock just goes bang every time for 500.00 you can through it down jump on it stick it in the sand and piss on it and it goes bang try that with your custom 15 18 22 hundred dollar gun she might be ugly but she is faithful and dependable and has my back i think im in love ......kenny

True. All my Glocks I've owned have gone bang everytime. A Casio digital watch tells time just as good as a Rolex. My '87 K5 Blazer gets me to work just as reliably as my '13 SRT8 Challenger. Doesn't make them in the same league though. There's something satisfying about owning a fun/cool/high end toy. I've owned a Springfield Mils Spec as well as some higher end 1911's. They all shot great. I've owned 2 Les Baer's (Concept VII and a Thunder Ranch Special). I currently carry the TRS. Les Baer guns are tight from the factory, but I've never had any malfunctions, even with the most el cheapo ammo. I would suggest breaking in yours with about 500 rounds at least before using it as a carry gun. Never seen a malfunction in one, but Murphy's Law seems to dictate that if you're carrying around a brand new gun that's tighter than a turnips you know what, it will malfunction the one time you need to use it to defend your life.

 

[oremike]

Looks to me like the biggest drawback to high end guns is Jammer type haters.... Life's too short for that, shoot what makes you smile and often!

 

[cookie]

I think that Jammer Six gets his jollies "pissing in the cheerios". He did say something the other day that agreed with, though. Most other times he's just sour. Don't sweat it.

I have a Dan Wesson that may be considered "higher end" to some folks. I know that to me it's a tool. One that I would stake my life on. It's not as pretty as it used to be after being carried daily for a 3-4 years.

Personally, I'd love to have an Ed Brown...

Craftsman tool vs. Snapon. Both tools but there is a difference.

 

[MarkAd]

Vary rare. Any guess what it is?

You mean other then BUTT UGLY?

 

[MarkAd]

My opinions don't come from the internet.

I can't think of a worse source for opinion or information.

Except for Jammer Six...

 

[Salps]

Sure would like to see your profile pic…. Then maybe I could comment on your "BUTT UGLY"
Troller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

You mean other then BUTT UGLY?

 

[Sstrand]

The only drawback to high-end guns is that I don't own any!?!?!?!?!?

Sheldon

 

[orygun]

Sheldon, I don't know what the dollar mark is to call a gun a "high end" but it took a lot of old fashioned horse trading, plus a little bit of credit, for me to have the couple of 1911's that I do. I'd have to say that's what I consider to be the drawback.

I did have a rifle that was in the same dollar range as my cherished 1911s. Couldn't have been happier to buy my ol Ruger 77 MKII back and sell that gun. I guess sometimes "high end" isn't all it's cracked up to be.

 

[PhantomWorks]

Wow this turned into to an interesting discussion!
Peoples opinions are like we all know like a$$h0les, we all got them. Some are right, others not so much. I'm not here to judge that, but have to say that whoever said 'if there built right, they are great' (or something in that manner) probably also have to admit that Les Baer is in that category.
There IS a reason why his guns are known at the level they are, and its not from him/them putting out a bubblegumty product!

Maybe not quite as good as a standard Glock, but we all knew that! LOL!

Here are the long awaited gunporn:

 

[PhantomWorks]

Extra info:

The model is Les 'Concept VIII'. Was delivered with 'combat safety' according to the box (I got it lightly used, or more like 'almost broken-in' @ 500 round count) but must been sent back to get the 'ambi safety' and 'magwell' fitted, cuz they are both LBC parts.
The sights been replaced also with 'Heinie 'Straight 8'' lithium nightsights. Was told they need getting used to, but I must be a natural client for them, cuz' they pick-up super easy and fast! The rear however seams to be off a hair ( or I suck. Which is more likely considering right...) since it grouped a little to the left at 25'.

 

[Nickb]

Extra info:

The model is Les 'Concept VIII'. Was delivered with 'combat safety' according to the box (I got it lightly used, or more like 'almost broken-in' @ 500 round count) but must been sent back to get the 'ambi safety' and 'magwell' fitted, cuz they are both LBC parts.
The sights been replaced also with 'Heinie 'Straight 8'' lithium nightsights. Was told they need getting used to, but I must be a natural client for them, cuz' they pick-up super easy and fast! The rear however seams to be off a hair ( or I suck. Which is more likely considering right...) since it grouped a little to the left at 25'.

I love the straight eight sights. I have a heinie slant pro rear night sight with an Ed brown front, the brown sight has a little bit bigger dot. Everyone that sees them likes them.

 

[BAMCIS]

Speaking of high end 1911's, this one ALMOST followed me home yesterday.

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It still might. The wife told me I could have it, :yes: but I've kinda got my heart set on another Brown. Only this time and Executive Carry. And this Wilson is about as far from a Carry model as you can get. :huh: