Quantcast
  1. Sign up now and join over 35,000 northwest gun owners. It's quick, easy, and 100% free!

Dope smoking pistol packers.

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Certaindeaf, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,767
    Likes Received:
    6,981
    So with these last dust-ups, I gather that the mental veracity of given individuals is being considered further.
    I noticed that on the basic gun buying form (from like decades ago), it asks if you are on drugs/have a medical condition or something like that.
    What I'm getting at is since I think there's a cubic bungload of state licensed medical marijuana users there must be a commensurate ratio that also are licensed/OK'd to "carry"/own a gun.
    Last I heard it was against federal law to do pretty much anything with the weed yet on the other hand, licenses for essentially making/effecting a livelihood (I think you can grow like forty pounds a year in Oregon, don't know) are endorsed/enabled by the state and there's no cross referencing that I know of regarding the two.
     
  2. moose

    moose northwet coast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    348
    You're commiting purgury on form 4473 if you are a medical marijuana user and say no to the drug question.

    'Supposedly' they are not allowed to cross reference into the medical mj database though, so the possiblity of getting caught is low. You know how well the government follows its own laws though :paranoid:
     
  3. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,767
    Likes Received:
    6,981
    You'd think the low-hanging Froot-Loops (so hungry! lolz) would be picked first since it's against existing law.
     
  4. moose

    moose northwet coast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    348


    Personally I think a drunk with gun is far more dangerous than a pot smoker. They dont ask that though.
     
  5. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

    Messages:
    5,969
    Likes Received:
    5,495
    All about what it is always about - $$$ and tax revenue.
     
  6. moose

    moose northwet coast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    348
    Yep, I can go down to the local store and buy some of the strongest narcotic out there. And get free matches too.
     
  7. Major Payne

    Major Payne PNW Active Member

    Messages:
    340
    Likes Received:
    69
    Gotta love the USA :)
     
  8. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,830
    Likes Received:
    871
    You are not committing perjury when you answer that question if you are a medical MJ patient. It is not 'unlawful" use, and MJ is not addictive. As with any prescription, if your use is without a license (prescription), it is illegal use, with a prescription, it is NOT illegal use.

    I am surprised that people well versed in firearms law, have bought into the media propaganda that MJ is just "Evil".
     
  9. WasrNwarpaint

    WasrNwarpaint Portland Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    592
    Likes Received:
    1,030
    Im with ya but, FEDS dont recognize your prescription or the states MJ laws, they have a different view its still a controlled substance
     
    Izzy and (deleted member) like this.
  10. moose

    moose northwet coast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    348
    Pot, according to the Feds, is a schedule 1 drug and has no medical uses at all and federal law trumps all state laws.

    Don't get me wrong, prohibition of anything, be it pot, alcohol, cancer sticks, however 'bad' one thinks it is, is all wrong. The government has no business trying to legislate morality, thats like teaching a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
     
    Izzy, mambo, Redcap and 3 others like this.
  11. davemata

    davemata Spokane, WA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,066
    Likes Received:
    410
    No. It asks you if you are an illegal user. Here in WA, there is no illegal MJ use. Therefore no, you would not answer to the affirmative. It's also ambiguous, as it doesn't specify fed or state law, so their ambiguity helps in your favor.
     
  12. moose

    moose northwet coast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    348
    Ummm, No. The ATF has explicitly said otherwise.

    You can find the full text here:

    ATF Open Letter to FFL's Regarding Medical Marijuana
     
  13. JSJPDX

    JSJPDX East Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

    Messages:
    263
    Likes Received:
    196
    Actually the very first line on the form does specify the laws that pertain. "WARNING: You may not receive a firearm if prohibited by Federal or State law". The "Definition of a Prohibited Person" section specifically mentions the unlawful use of or addiction to among other things marijuana. As noted above, marijuana is a Federally controlled substance. Now that is not to say how a Federal jury made up of your peers in your state would rule on a case...volunteers for a test case anyone?
     
  14. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    2,731
  15. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,990
    Likes Received:
    2,731
    Also..."dope" these days (and has for 10-15 years) means heroin. Specifically.
     
  16. Squidly

    Squidly Sandy Active Member

    Messages:
    375
    Likes Received:
    241
    Posession of an OMMP card does not mean you are currently using or posessing marijuana. Therefore, posession of an OMMP card does not constitute perjury on form 4473.
     
  17. moose

    moose northwet coast Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    348
    True, it doesnt specify a time frame. So as long as you smush out the joint before you tick the box, you should be GTG :p
     
  18. SVT-ROY

    SVT-ROY Tigard Resident Beretta guru

    Messages:
    853
    Likes Received:
    173
    Dammed hippies
     
  19. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,767
    Likes Received:
    6,981
    I can see it now. You’ve heard of those proposed vending machines?.. your fingerprint will energize a huge electro-magnet upon purchase.
    No dope/gun for you!
     
  20. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    5,089
    Likes Received:
    1,310
    OK, we have a volunteer to test the BATF's rules!!